An Interview with Decius

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The pseudonymous Publius Decius Mus has angered and mystified his critics with his bracing assessment of our political moment in his essay, “The Flight 93 Election,” which—along with the follow-up essay—quickly went viral and generated commentary from left and right. With so many questions and so much controversy swirling around his ideas, American Greatness spoke with Decius this week about the pursuit of greater clarity in thinking through the politics of our time.

an interview with decius flight 93 jagAmerican Greatness: Hillary Clinton has described at least half of Trump supporters as “a basket of deplorables,” including racists, sexists and the usual litany of leftist epithets. What do you think is the proper response to this charge and what do you have to say to conservative critics who suggest that she has a point?

I’m not much of a campaign guru, so I should leave the response to others. Actually, I think the Trump campaign is doing a good job with it. It could be a gift that keeps on giving for them. Though I would caution Trump supporters against thinking this is a silver bullet. The rules are different for us than for them. The media hung “47 percent” around Mitt Romney’s neck like a millstone. Not that he would have won otherwise. The point is simply that the propaganda value of the Megaphone only really works to damage us and not them. Obama was not sunk by “bitter clingers” and Hillary won’t be sunk by this. She may lose and this may contribute, but it’s a mistake to put too much hope in it.

The conservative critics who think she has a point are liberals. Or useless. Or not conservative. Or maybe all three.

Of course there is ugliness in the hearts of some Trump supporters. Is it any uglier than the ugliness of fringe Democrats and leftists? We just lived through a summer in which police were targeted simply for being police officers—risking death to protect low income, primarily non-white lives. It wasn’t Trump supporters who were doing that or egging it on. But the Left and its propaganda arm instantaneously disavow any connection between that kind of fringe violence and official leftism or Democratic politics and that norm is enforced. Whereas our side is always Hitler and David Duke no matter what. Wolf Blitzer lambasted Mike Pence about Duke recently, but Hillary can have radical BLM activists on stage at the Democratic National  Convention and it’s just fine.

The reason is “the narrative.” The media, intelligentsia, and the opinion-making organs of our society have become overwhelmingly biased, partisan, shameless, dishonest and corrupt. They still wield enormous power, which is a problem, but it’s become virtually impossible not to see them for what they are, which might mean that a turning point is coming.

The “conservatives” have at least two motives for band-wagoning with this nonsense. One is that they simply don’t understand higher principle anymore, because their whole mindset is unconsciously leftist, so they believe that everything the Left calls “racist” is in fact racist. Oppose more immigration? Racist! Don’t believe the police systematically try to kill blacks? Racist!

The other is simple cowardice. Conservatives are terrified of being called racist. I don’t know if this is bad conscience or what—maybe at heart they really believe it? Maybe living in all-white neighborhoods perhaps makes them feel guilty. But being called out for it scares them above all so they are always desperate to make public declarations of their purity as non-racists. They think they will get credit from the Left, which of course they never do, but that never stops them from trying.

AG: Some scholars have suggested that Trump is the only candidate making a serious defense of the Constitution. Yet your critics accuse you of supporting a would-be tyrant who would burn the Constitution. Would would you say to the people who claim you lack sufficient respect for the Constitution? And what about Trump as a constitutionalist?

I’m grateful to Ken Masugi and John Marini for first suggesting in print that Trump is a serious Constitutionalist, which I did not initially take seriously. Not that I was anti-Trump but I just took for granted that a real-estate mogul and reality TV star would not be serious about the Constitution. It turns out that I think they are more correct than my initial assessment was.

It is not that Trump really understands or has thought deeply about the Constitution, but he is trying to do something fundamentally constitutional in my opinion. He wants to assert the right of the sovereign American people to control their government, which is the core constitutional principle. I think he understands this in an instinctive rather than intellectual way. But that’s OK because, one, most of the people who claim to understand it, don’t; two, most of those (very few) who do understand it are ineffectual at defending it; and three, nobody has really tried to do what Trump is doing in a generation. So who cares if his understanding is flawed?

I wrote about this at great length at the Journal of American Greatness, but I think the idea that Trump wants to be a tyrant is preposterous. Does that mean I think his motives are as pure as George Washington’s? No, Trump clearly likes to be a star, to be the center of attention, he’s clearly—if not a narcissist—something in that vein. Then again, Machiavelli says that the selfish desire for glory can only be satisfied by the highest level of service to others, to the greatest possible multitude.

But a tyrant is a very specific thing. People use the term so loosely today—all terms are used loosely today—and they just want to tear him down. So “tyrant” will suffice for  that crowd.  Or, really, “fascist” is more common, since it makes people think of Hitler.

As for Trump’s respect for the Constitution, first let me answer that in the negative. Could he be more destructive of the Constitution than recent political experience has been? I suppose he might be, but what has he actually said that would lead one to believe that this is his intent? He’s said disturbing things about the First Amendment and he is a litigious man, and that is troublesome. But a tyrant is someone who wants to seize or usurp power for his own ends, use it only selfishly and arbitrarily, and never surrender it. What has Trump said to indicate or even hint that this is his intent?

The real issue here is that the mainstream has accepted that the only legitimate rule is rule by the administrative state. Therefore anyone who challenges that, however inchoately, must be a tyrant or proto-tyrant, is by that challenge alone illegitimate. Thou shall not challenge the administrative state!

Personally, I love the Constitution. I find it to be one of the greatest marvels of human history and perhaps the greatest political achievement of all time. But John Adams was right when he said it was designed for a moral and religious people. It requires a certain virtue or character in the people to maintain the Constitution and unfortunately we’ve let that decline. The biggest question of our time is whether we can get it back.

One attack that people have made against me is “this idiot thinks Trump is a savior!”  Of course I haven’t said that and don’t believe it.  He is like a burly blocker who’s opening a path for us to run through.  It’s still up to us to run through the gap.  He won’t—and can’t—do that for us.  We have to do it ourselves.

AG: Michael Walsh, the PJMedia columnist and author of The Devil’s Pleasure Palace, notes that the most vociferous in the conservative NeverTrump camp tend to be those under 50. Do you think there is a generation gap among conservatives and, if so, what accounts for it?

It does seem that, the younger a (nominal) conservative is, the more likely he is to be against Trump. I think this is owing to two things, at least. This will sound like an old man being cranky, so take it with due allowances.

The first is that the young are not educated. Not that I got the greatest education, but it was pretty good. Still the people who taught me were far more educated than I am now, and the oldest ones were the best educated of the bunch. And my sense is that their teachers—most of whom I never met, or were even dead before I was born—were better educated than even they were. So in terms of education and knowledge, we’re on a downward trend and have been for a while.

What that means is that young conservatives learn conservatism as a checklist. They don’t really read books, except recent “conservative” bestsellers. They read excerpts from the Federalist at a summer fellowship and think that’s an education. Not to knock summer fellowships, but they are supposed to be gateways, not complete educations. And they don’t really read anything harder or deeper than the Federalist (not to knock it, either, but the Founders read Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, Montesquieu and more).

So on the basis of a rather flimsy education, they think they know what conservatism is, but it’s just a catechism for them, a hymnal. And they compare Trump’s policy positions to their hymnal and they see discrepancies and they just default to “Heretic! Not conservative!”

Which points to the second, which is that older conservative intellectuals tend to have better educations and read more widely so they have a broader perspective. They also have the benefit of hard-won experience and an understanding that compromise, course changes, tactical adjustments and so on are sometimes necessary. They’re less “idealistic” in the sense of uncompromisingly foolish. And—speculating here—they have seen America at its best, or when it was much better, so they know we’ve fallen and they don’t want to see us fall further.

The kidlets, as I call them, were raised on a diet of racism-this and equality-that and that’s-not-who-we-are, so they can’t process anything that seems to contradict the narrative. To them “conservatism” is the 1980 campaign’s economic platform spot-welded to Millennial identity politics and sexual libertarianism. Freedom!

AG: What do you say to the charge that the Trump you describe exists only in your mind, that the Trump you describe is not an accurate reflection of the real DJT?

I admitted from the beginning of the old Journal of American Greatness that Trump is not the candidate that I would have wished for and that I (we) were trying to “understand Trump better than he understands himself.” Or if not Trump, then Trumpism or what you’re calling “the Greatness Agenda.”

Even so, it’s a silly criticism. Statesmen—even the very best—are practical, not theoretical, men. There is a role for interpretation of what the statesman does instinctually. A Lincoln who fully understood his mission on an intellectual level is I think very rare. I would actually not even give Washington or Churchill the same credit. And certainly not Trump.

That said, Trump did something no one else has done in a long time. He broke through the taboo on talking about immigration, trade and economic policy in ways not reflective of Davos-class, administrative state ideology. And he won on those issues.

All the other “conservatives” who’ve run in the past 20 years either opposed Trump’s take on those questions or ran from them or ignored them. But Trump comes along and succeeds and we’re supposed to reject him because he doesn’t have a sufficient command of political theory? Come on.

Trump, perhaps because he is of an older generation, is just patriotic in an unapologetic way. He wants us to win even if that means someone else loses. To the narrative, that’s a blasphemy. We can’t prefer ourselves over others! What about “equality”? Trump just does not get why preferring America is a problem.

Again, I don’t think he’s thought about equality in a theoretical way, but neither has he been corrupted by perversions which say that it’s immoral and illegitimate to prefer fellow citizens over foreigners. That thought literally does not occur to him and when the Left tries to bludgeon him with it he instinctively reacts and says, “That’s insane.” And when the intellectuals say, “How dare you! We know better than you! You must say X, Y and Z and never A, B or C,” he just laughs at them.

Second, I speculate that on some level he remembers how the government used to work and is supposed to work, recognizes that it doesn’t work that way now, and wants to get back to that. Because when it worked correctly we were, in his parlance, “winning.” And he likes that. It’s not a theoretical defense of constitutionalism. But again I find it laughable that we’re all supposed to reject Trump and support the election of a corrupt Progressive-Left administrative state apparatchik because Trump never took constitutional law from a Federalist Society professor. And, oh by the way, how have all those Federalist Society judges worked out for us? John Roberts, anyone?

AG: When did Conservatism, Inc. go off the rails and why?

This is a huge question better posed to a true intellectual historian of the American right, which I am not. Then again, most—if not all—of them are so anti-Trump that their answer might not be so useful.

Modern conservatism is a creation of the 1950s, to replace the so-called “Old Right” which was routed by FDR, the New Deal, World War II and the like. William F. Buckley and the crew he assembled had to build something new to respond to the challenges of their time. Which, as they perceived it, was a totally dominant liberalism in academia, the intelligentsia and the bureaucracy plus an accommodationist Republican party. Sound familiar?

The Old Right didn’t want the New Deal. It lost. It didn’t want World War II. It lost. It didn’t want desegregation and Civil Rights. It lost. Buckley’s “New Right” at first thought Ike and the post-war Republicans were too soft on the New Deal, but they eventually gave up that fight. They fought the Great Society and also lost, but at least scored a partial victory with the Reagan Revolution. They thought the Republicans were too soft on Communism, and they eventually won that argument almost totally. And they began by supporting the old South on Civil Rights but eventually turned.

The point is, the New Right was a departure from the Old Right.  It was trying to respond to what it perceived to be the challenges of its time. In a way, every bow-tied “conservative” kidlet who invokes Buckley today is just saying, “The solutions of 1955—stand athwart history yelling stop!—are all still apt!”

Conservatism has not adapted in half a century or more. It “adapts” in that it takes up new policy prescriptions, on broadband and the like, but otherwise it still thinks that the fundamental challenges are always the same. Now, the great issue of 1860 was the possible expansion of slavery into the territories. Is that an issue now? There is an underlying matter of high principle, to be sure, but is that issue the issue? Any fool can see that answer is “no.” Why would the great issues of 2016 be the same as those of 1955? Or even 1980?

“Fusionism” is a case in point. This is the so-called three-legged stool: economic freedom, strong defense, “moral values.” These are great things, so it seems. Are they always the priority? For instance, in Puritan times, what’s more needful? A greater emphasis on moral purity? Or maybe a little recognition of human weakness? In dissolute times, of course the former is more needful.

Economic freedom is a human right. But with finance having seized the economy by the … whatevers … and income inequality skyrocketing, should lower taxes really be top priority? Carried interest, 2 and 20?  Or is fostering economic solidarity more important? Conservatives have conniptions at the very question. But Aristotle says that the greatest wealth gap in a good regime should be 5 to 1. I’m not saying we want that, but in what way does making hedge fund managers the ultimate winners in our society make any sense? It made sense to challenge the Soviet Union, as it still makes sense to maintain a strong defense. But “strong defense” has morphed into endless, pointless, winless war.

In 1980, we had to unshackle the economy, rebuild the military and alliance structure, and recover from the ’60s-’70s orgy. Today our priorities are different—or should be. But conservatives only know the formula they learned from the crib sheet.

On a higher level, the success of people like Harry Jaffa and other Claremont scholars had a very negative consequence, one they did not intend. They properly interpreted the Founding and Lincoln, in my view, but in so doing they made it very easy for lazy people to say “America is an idea” full stop, and “equality means open borders” and so on. These people abandoned prudence for abstractions. The Founders are very clear about the particularity of Americans as a distinct people. They warn against indiscriminate immigration. They insist on vigorous assimilation and Americanization. We’ve abandoned almost all of that. The Left says that to do anything else is “racist.” The conservatives, as noted, are terrified of that charge. But more than that, they believe the abstraction. Rootedness is bad. Particularity is bad.

The Old Right was, in my view, too particular in that it tried to base everything on tradition, on kith and kin, blood and soil and so on. It rejected any transcendence (beyond the religious) as “universalist” and liberal. This is my ultimate problem with Kirk, Bradford and the like.  They want to say that certain things are good while rejecting any fundamental, permanent ground for the good.  The New Right swung way to the other direction and insists on universals and sees all particulars—at least when asserted by Americans and Europeans—as insular and racist. The truth is that both are true in their sphere and both are necessary. Restoring a proper relationship between the universal and the particular is in my view the paramount theoretical challenge for whatever it is that follows conservatism. I made the beginnings of an attempt in an essay called “Paleo-Straussianism,” but there is much more to do.

AG: How do you respond to conservatives concerned about Donald Trump’s character? They perceive his shortcomings as somehow unique, though Reagan was divorced, Lincoln and Truman failed in business, Romney flip-flopped on abortion, and so forth Yet it is only for Donald Trump that these things are perceived as evidence of a uniquely bad character.

I’ve read troubling things about Trump’s character so I don’t dismiss those concerns. But character isn’t everything. Aside from smoking a lot of pot, Obama’s character seems sterling. He’s a good family man, was a good student, has had a good career (in the narrow sense), does not appear to be corrupt in any way, and so on. But he is an ideological disaster for America. Really, since Nixon, American has had only one president of bad character—obviously I mean Bill Clinton.

I find what I know of Hillary’s character, it is much worse than anything alleged against Trump. If I thought Trump were an Aaron Burr, I would feel differently. But I don’t. He’s a showboat and a ladies’ man and I gather he has done some shady things in business. But I don’t think he wants to use the presidency for his own ends, beyond self-aggrandizement, which I noted above, can correlate with the common good. Bottom line, if he builds a wall, gets serious about trade and economics, stops the bleeding overseas, and takes on the administrative state, then I can overlook his sins. I would rather have a sinless president, sure. But I wonder if a sinless man could win in these times. Plus, all the sinless men—such as Jeb—are horrible on the issues that really matter. I am against infidelity to be sure. But it is fundamentally unserious at this point to say that you would rather have a chaste president who favors open borders than a horndog who will build a wall. Hell, at this point I would reelect Bill Clinton if I thought he would build a wall.

AG: Finally, what do you say to people who  claim that Trump is just a false prophet, whipping up the masses with promises of things he cannot deliver?

What difference, at this point, does it make? What have you got to lose? Can’t you see that Hillary is certain death for constitutionalism and conservatism?

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  1. gda September 17, 2016 at 11:24 am

    “What difference, at this point, does it make?

    Nice backhand slap to Hillary and her Benghazi comments.

    • ricocat1 September 17, 2016 at 12:18 pm

      We all know Donald Trump is not perfect but he is way better than Hillary.

  2. QET September 17, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    Here’s to hoping that if Trump wins, he will have the good sense to bring Decius in from the cold and make him one of his advisors.

    • Shep September 17, 2016 at 1:49 pm

      Yes, he could help in a big way.

  3. ricocat1 September 17, 2016 at 12:13 pm

    So many good points in this discussion but I would like to focus on the Deplorable point which seems to have energized the right. Rush Limbaugh is selling “Deplorable t-shirts. Many bloggers have added ‘deplorable’ to their screen names. Yesterday in Miami Donald Trump entered before a banner saying “Les Deplorables” and the music was “Do you hear the people sing” while the crowd went wild. Just like in the musical Les Miserables Donald Trump has a real movement. Let’s hope this story has a happier ending. Donald Trump & America First.

    • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 1:14 pm

      I’m surprised Trump hasn’t trade marked “deplorables” yet. And yes, if he did I would buy “deplorable” merchandise for myself and all my family to fund his campaign.

      • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:51 pm

        That would limit the number of people that could wear/show it. He has done amazing things with so little money.

        • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:27 pm

          Apparently, there are a lot of deplorable people still left voting.

  4. John Ash September 17, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    “It is not that Trump really understands or has thought deeply about the Constitution, but he is trying to do something fundamentally constitutional in my opinion. He wants to assert the right of the sovereign American people to control their government, which is the core constitutional principle. ”

    This is a profoundly unintelligent statement.

    • Shep September 17, 2016 at 1:48 pm

      You don’t hold a candle to Decius.

      Write something here in this comment section to show us how you are more intelligent than Decius.

      I challenge you.

      • John Ash September 17, 2016 at 1:53 pm

        You seem to labor under the idea that I seek to be compared to him in any way at all. His writing, from what I’ve seen, is chock full of ignorance and ridiculous assertion.

        • Shep September 17, 2016 at 1:58 pm

          Then instead of insulting him explain yourself.

          So far you look like a coward in the Peanut Gallery.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:55 am

            I think I’ve posted plenty of thoughts on this. Why don’t you contradict one of them with facts or some sort of argument?

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:44 pm

            You’ve posted nothing of substance.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:49 pm

            And yet you can argue against none of it.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:54 pm

            You haven’t argued yet.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:30 pm

            It was all above your head.

          • Shep September 19, 2016 at 2:53 am

            Retard.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:00 pm

            That all you got?

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 5:00 pm

            You are immune to facts & dialect.

        • Shep September 17, 2016 at 2:07 pm
          • Bernie Sanders✓ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ September 17, 2016 at 2:24 pm

            John Ash resents the fact that TRVMP will prevent Mexicans and Somalis from raping his wife while he masturbates on a stool in the corner. Cucks gonna cuck.

          • Shep September 17, 2016 at 3:44 pm

            His wife? You mean his boyfriend.

            He’s a gay cuck.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:58 am

            Wow, you’re really nailing it today. Proving Trumpster Trash is both racist AND homophobic. G’jawb.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:39 pm
          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:52 pm

            Nope, I just enjoy watching Trumpster Trash flail.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:57 am

            Amazing how quickly Trumpster Trash can invade a supposedly intellectual website and start vomiting all over the place.

          • Bernie Sanders✓ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ September 19, 2016 at 8:36 am

            I have two degrees from Harvard, 1600 SAT/174 LSAT, clerked for a Federalist Society favorite, and make mid-six figures in a partner-track position at a V100 firm. I am happily married with four children.

            “Trumpster Trash?” Intellectuals recognize the futility of casting pearls before swine, faggot. You’re a punching bag, not an opponent.

          • bossmanglb September 18, 2016 at 12:49 am

            BAM. Could not have said it better myself, based brother.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:59 am

            Look how eager Trumpster Trash is to identify with homophobes and racists.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 5:04 pm

            MILO gaye them a pass on homophobia

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:55 am

            Ah, so it is a racism thing.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:44 pm

            So Illegal Aliens have a Constitutional right to live in the USA?

            What’s conservative about inviting the world’s poverty stricken into our country and paying for their schooling, food and shelter all the while denying those benefits to US Citizens?

            As a Liberal like you would say, “if we could save just one life” by preventing the death of an American Citizen at the hands of an Illegal Alien it would be worth it.

            I almost forgot to ask you, do you identify as a Conservative?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:50 pm

            Find me the term “illegal alien” stated by any Founder. Any at all.

            Yes, immigrants have the Consitutional right as expressed in the 9th and 10th Amendments to live in the US as long as they are not plotting the violent overthrow of the government.

          • crushlimbraw September 18, 2016 at 2:08 pm

            Didja ever hear of the Naturalization Act of 1790? Well, didja?

            http://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=1790 – you can word search anything in the archive!:)

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:37 pm

            Explain the relevance.

          • crushlimbraw September 18, 2016 at 3:02 pm

            Hint: Read your own posts – they’re quite revealing!
            Mine was an answer to them.
            I don’t teach reading comprehension, but I require it – make that ‘demand’ it – of those who are willing to converse on the internet!

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:30 pm

            That’s not an actual argument. The Naturalization Act has ZERO to do with immigration.

          • crushlimbraw September 18, 2016 at 4:13 pm

            You didn’t read any of the 5 articles I linked, did you?
            Read all 5 – the 1790 Act outlines the vision of the Founders. I have no interest or the time for pointy headed arguments. Your last statement was a beauty!

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:36 pm

            Okay, point to the word “immigration” or “migrant” anywhere in the Naturalization Acts. Anywhere at all.

          • crushlimbraw September 18, 2016 at 7:18 pm

            What is it about – ” I have no interest or the time for pointy headed arguments.” – you don’t understand?
            You illustrate perfectly the myopic political perspective of Da#NeverTrumpers – focus on the gnats//swallow daCamel!
            End of Story!

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm

            The author of the 14th amendment wrote several articles about it. He explained that a child of a janitor and maid of an embassy would not have citizenship. People like you think anyone who squats one out on this side of the border should be.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 5:03 pm

            Would you call jews importing the 3rd world savages to alter the electorate a violent overthrow?

    • Haga Akane September 17, 2016 at 4:13 pm

      You suck.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:49 am

        Oh, hah, I guess you win then. Great argument.

        • Haga Akane September 18, 2016 at 8:10 am

          Yes I do and it’s better than yours, azzmaster.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:16 am

            [applause for the great thinker]

    • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:08 am

      Because obviously only those who have thought deeply about baseball can do something fundamentally baseballish, like hit, or field, or run.
      You are an idiot.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:10 am

        Yeah, that is actually how it fucking works. You don’t obey the Constitution by accident.

        • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:25 am

          And yet millions of Americans mostly do.
          You are an idiot.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:27 am

            The Constitution doesn’t control Americans, it controls government. And Trump has no intention of abiding by it, by accident or otherwise.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:42 am

            And so you have now abandoned your original stupid assertion that one must deeply study the constitution in order to obey it, and substituted an equally stupid assertion you know, perhaps through mind reading, that Trump has no intention of abiding the Constitution. Oh the bogey-man Trump. Did your mommy traumatize you with scary bedtime stories?

  5. John Ash September 17, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    “But again I find it laughable that we’re all supposed to reject Trump and support the election of a corrupt Progressive-Left administrative state apparatchik because Trump never took constitutional law from a Federalist Society professor. And, oh by the way, how have all those Federalist Society judges worked out for us? John Roberts, anyone?”

    False dichotomy. There are more than two choices.

  6. John Ash September 17, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    “The Founders are very clear about the particularity of Americans as a distinct people. They warn against indiscriminate immigration. They insist on vigorous assimilation and Americanization. ”

    Not really. And certainly not by force.

    • Severn September 17, 2016 at 2:58 pm

      Feel free to quote the Founders in defense of your claims, if you can. We both know you cannot.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:54 am

        No, show me the quotes by the Founders saying that the Federal government must control immigration by force and that it has the Constitutional authority to do so. Just one. I’ll wait.

        • StarTripper September 18, 2016 at 9:35 am

          Government is force. That’s how it does anything.

    • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:00 am

      Because “force” was and is the only means by which to cause assimilation and Americanization.
      You are an idiot.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:02 am

        That’s my point, dipshit.

        • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:22 am

          In which in which case you wailing against your straw man.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:25 am

            They wanted people to accept the law, not completely jettison their culture.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:48 am

            They wanted much more than that. For starters They wanted them to abandon their language and take up English. Immigrants were expected to put away foreighners habits like forcing women to wear rugs on their heads and defecating in public spaces. To the extent that they telerated immigrants at all.

  7. John Ash September 17, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    “Can’t you see that Hillary is certain death for constitutionalism and conservatism?”

    Nope. She is evil, but she is neither of those things. Republicans haven’t defended the Constitution. Well. Not ever. From Lincoln forward, they have been nationalists, not Constitutionalists, and for that, they are perpetually damned.

    • Michel Houellebecq September 18, 2016 at 3:34 am

      you don’t know what nationalism is if you think the gop is run by nationalists… a true nationalist gop wouldn’t have agreed to the 1965 immigration act, 1986 amnesty, and would call for copying israel and japan’s immigration policies.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:46 am

        Okay, so your point is that Trump is not the strongest national socialist we could run. Being a weak nationalist doesn’t make one not a nationalist Trump is copying 10-15 planks of the 25 plank Nazi platform and treats immigrants like Jews. Hitler didn’t run on killing the Jews, he ran on solving the problem with Jews.

        • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 10:57 am

          The party that deports nothing but factory jobs is a “nationalist” party. You are an idiot.
          But an entertaining one:)

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:01 am

            They feel they can nationalize the whole world, much as Hitler did.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:20 am

            That makes them globalist you moron.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:24 am

            Right, Republicans are globalists, big global government, as long as the US controls it. Democrats want to outsource. And libertarians want global trade and local government.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:34 am

            Almost correct. But ultimately the 1% doesn’t care about the US controlling anything, because the US includes us, the 99%. What they do care about is big global government, as long as it’s controlled by the 1%. The GOP pre -trump serves the interests of the 1% donor class. In what way is that “Nationalist”?

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:13 pm

          In the land of Cuckservative the man with one testicle is king. Notice jews are the ones behind open borders https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsdjqvZXgAAm9ET.jpg

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:35 pm

            The Jewish people have always been travelers, merchants, traders. They understand how freedom of trade increases prosperity. They’re also very intelligent, measurably more so than the typical white person, so I can see why that might scare you.

  8. John Ash September 17, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    “But it is fundamentally unserious at this point to say that you would rather have a chaste president who favors open borders than a horndog who will build a wall. ”

    It is fundamentally serious to expect such at thing. This is America, not Nazi Germany. We were founded in Natural Rights, not nationalism, not xenophobia, not protectionism. It is fundamentally UNSERIOUS to get behind Trump for any reason. And it is Russian Roulette on top of it.

    • Shep September 17, 2016 at 1:46 pm

      You have it all backwards.

      Read some history about the founding of this country.

      “It’s better to appear the fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

      • John Ash September 17, 2016 at 1:52 pm

        That isn’t an actual rebuttal. Try again.

        • Shep September 17, 2016 at 1:58 pm

          Tell me about how America was founded on ‘Open Borders.’

          • bossmanglb September 18, 2016 at 12:47 am

            How’d Open Borders work out for Native Americans?

            I’m sure they had some village idiot like John Ash telling them nationalism was evil. And instead they should usher in the destruction of their culture and the dispossession of their people with enthusiasm!

            It’s ridiculous. How anyone can be an American–no, a vertebrate–and not think that this country was explicitly founded on what today the loony left calls “xenophobia” is just jaw dropping.

            Of course it was, numb nuts.

            We’re not even at the point of arguing whether it’s right or wrong, or in the best interest of our country. No. We have retards who literally think the American Founding Fathers were a bunch of hippies who supported Open Borders, Diversity, and Multiculturalism. Lemme guess, you also think they supported same-fag marriage?

            Truly. The indoctrination that liberals have accomplished in public schools and the academy is incredible.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:14 am

            Show me the xenophobia in the Constitution, please. Anywhere at all.

          • Severn September 18, 2016 at 12:50 pm

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:09 pm

            Was “xenophobia” even a word in the 1700s?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:28 pm

            Was “illegal alien” anything?

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:34 pm

            Considering that Indians didn’t become citizens until 70 years after the 14th amendment was passed, they knew what “under the jurisdiction thereof” meant

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:40 pm

            Incorrect. Because it was a) assumed that Indians didn’t want citizenship and b) they were considered to be their own nations. However, overtime, it became clear that Indians WANTED to be citizens and so they made it so they could be. It was never meant to exclude them based on race or culture.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:47 pm

            I think you may have misconstrued where I was going with that question as your comment is disjointed at best.

            Calling me “numb nuts” didn’t make any sense.

          • bossmanglb October 7, 2016 at 9:51 pm

            yea it was meant for ash, of course.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:12 am

            One of the listed reasons for the revolution was Englands control of immigration to the colonies.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:14 am

            Right. Everyone knows the original colonists were angry with King George because he refused to implement their open borders agenda of filling up the cities with African and Hispanic immigrants.
            You are an idiot.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:22 am

            So you’ve never read the Declaration of Independence. Good jawb, Trumpster Trash.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:28 am

            Oh but I have. I guess I missed the demands for multiracial society. Or maybe that’s just a more recent form of anti-white bigotry.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:49 pm

            I guess you clearly missed the part about migration. There should be no government demand for a multi-racial society, nor laws against one. That is the American way.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 3:05 pm

            That is not the American way. That is the way of the hate left, and their allies, certain moronic libertarians. Most of our history the “American way” prioritized family, tribe and nation; just like the Somali way, the French way, the Jewish way the literally everybody way. Today haters and weaklings systematically attack whites, and only whites for this formulation. What does that make you?

            It makes you an idiot. At best.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:07 pm

            No, we did not. We prioritized Natural Rights and were welcoming to all kinds for a century before and after the revolution.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm

            Yes of course. We welcomed “all kinds”. Which is why so many free blacks and Arabs were allowed to immigrate. And when the Chinese finally arrived in huge numbers to lower the wages of Americans and enrich the 1% (sound familiar) there never was a Chinese exclusion act. Because we welcomed “all kinds”.

            The founders welcomed “all kinds” so long as they were Englishman, and later some Western Europeans who assimilated well to English ideas like Natural Rights.

            When difficult or unassimilable immigrants began arriving there were immigration restrictions which had not been nescassary before. Your argument amounts to ” because we had no immigration restrictions the founders welcomed the non-western European immigration that was not occurring”. Yet when that immigration appeared, so did the restriction. Go figure.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:31 pm

            No, those restrictions happened because Lincoln proved that the 9th and 10th Amendments weren’t going to be enforced and the Feds could do whatever they wished and would back it up with extreme violence.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 7:07 pm

            Occams razor. Look it up. The restrictions happened not because Lincoln blah blah the Feds blah blah, the white people blah blah. No conspiracies need be propounded. Too many immigrants+too many from shame cultures, primitive cultures, or just plain old too different cultures = immigration restrictions. Which set off a boom in middle and working class incomes which lasted until the floodgates were opened in 65. You serve the banksters, the crooks the Clintons and the post American 1%. Shilling for cheap labor and deporting jobs, smearing as racists the middle American who won’t take the banisters c*ck between his cheeks. Either pair. Welcome to the the 21st Century. We are gonna fight back against the bigots and the cucks and the weaklings. And we are going to make a difference. You are on the wrong side of history.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:26 pm

            Where do you think they got the idea they could simply break the Constitution like that? Where is immigration authority? Do you know how the 10th Amendment works?

          • Matt Frihart January 28, 2017 at 5:42 am

            all due respect, you’re both wrong….. immigration became an issue when assimilation ended…… its not like we’re talking about ending immigration as whole here, something trump isnt doing, anyone is welcome to immigrate here so long as they are vetted properly, get in line, and assimilate to becoming an american. This can change at any time depending on circumstances for any reason, safety of the nation’s people being among them.

            Immigration policies were not needed early in america’s history precisely because we were a growing nation and all who were coming to america, were coming to be american, when the becoming american part stopped, immigration law was first made. for a good third of the 20th century we had no immigration at all, in order to foster assimilation. and i believe sometime in the early 60s i forget the exact year right now, immigration was reinstated, we’ve had it since, but we never HAD to have it, they come here at our pleasure, if that’s abused, it can be cut off.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm

            Importing millions of low IQ savage moslems directly onto welfare & giving them taxpayer paid classes on how to use toilets is not in the constitution. ((((People))) are profiting from importing low IQ savages into the first world. Same people who owned the slave boats in the US, and who sold white people as slaves in Spain before the Inquisition.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:36 pm

            How do you know they are low IQ? Have you had them tested? Uneducated ≠ low IQ, asshole.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:21 pm

            I didn’t need to other people have. The results are in the books “The global bell curve” & “IQ & the wealth of nations” . Do you think if blacks got squatted out in rice paddies they would have the same chance of getting a perfect SAT as Asian males. Asian males get a perfect math SAT around twice as likely as White boys

          • Matt Frihart January 28, 2017 at 5:29 am

            the declaration of independence is not our governing document, it was our “go EFF yourself Brittania” document. our ruling document is the constitution.

            no matter the intentions experssed in the DoI, the constitution is what matters.

          • John Ash January 28, 2017 at 7:10 am

            Thank you, Captain Obvious.

            Now show me delegated immigration power.

          • John Ash February 1, 2017 at 8:45 am

            Right, and nowhere in the Constitution is any authority at all for the Federal government to regulate or impede immigration. I’ll give you $1B if you can quote it.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:08 pm

            I think it’s time for you to change your saturated tampon.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:27 pm

            I think it’s time for you to come up with an argument.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 1:46 pm

            Lolol amazing comment.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:48 pm

            It must seem so to Trumpster Trash.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:17 pm

            And it doesn’t seem amazing to traitors who hate America. Like you.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:27 pm

            I love America, I just hate what you’ve done to it.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:29 pm

            You misunderstand. It’s super simple: TRUMP’s pro-American, and JEWS like you identify with non-America, so he’s anti-them, so they hate him for being pro-us. And it would take force to stop anti-us people from hurting us, therefore he’s an evil authoritarian.

            It’s all very emotional and irrational, and generally based on Jews not being
            able to even perceive serfdom, since as nomads they’re really only concerned
            with pogroms.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:35 pm

            Ah, so BigGaySteve the racist anti-semite. Fascinating.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm

            No you don’t. If you’re not a paid troll then you live in a progressive reality warp and are mentally ill. Your illness will become more acute and debilitating as reality diverges from the progressive bubble you live inside. You’re going to have a very hard and joyless life. I pity you and truly hope you seek help and free yourself.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:42 pm

            Neither. I’m a normal American and that is something you cannot comprehend.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 5:01 pm

            Lol, another redefinition:

            Normal = liberal, progressive.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:29 pm

            The US was founded by American liberals. And that is what “conservatives” are supposed to be conserving.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 5:40 pm

            Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their (mis)understanding of the principle of liberty. Don’t conflate our founders with your anti-free speech thought control crowd.

            And yes, conservatives have done an atrocious job of conserving American values, culture, and freedom. That’s why we are replacing them.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:28 pm

            It is right in the Declaration of Independence.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:38 pm

            So was England promoting immigration of Africans or something?

            Also, tell me about the “Free Trade Policies” of the 1700s.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:46 pm

            They repeatedly said the government had no business restraining or promoting immigrations. One of the two biggest reasons for the Constitution was the power of the Federal government to prevent the states from erecting trade barriers. The entire purpose of the Commerce Clause.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:55 pm

            Navigation Act……again

            http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h621.html

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:07 pm

            “Navigation act”?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:24 pm

            “The American colonists were never fully comfortable with those laws, but became ardently opposed with the passage of the Sugar Act of 1733. Under that law, a duty was placed on the importation of sugar from the French West Indies, forcing the American rum distillers to buy more costly sugar from the British West Indies. The most significant result of the Navigation Acts upon American history was the stifling of colonial manufacturing and increased resentment against the mother country.”

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:24 pm

            Do you read your own links?

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:26 pm

            Only 3% of the Colonists actually fought. You might as well say it was over a 4% tax on tea. It took all of CA law enforcement, national guard and federal help over a week to catch the affirmative action LOW IQ black Chris Dorner after he shot up a judges family. If 2 people in each state fought the system would be overwhelmed

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:34 pm

            So, BigGaySteve, the racist? Wow.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:14 pm

            I believed in equality until I encountered enough reality to know better. Have you ever meet a black as smart or a White leading man as stupid AS SEEN ON (((TV)))?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:39 pm

            Yes, all the time.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm

            Name a black you have meet in REAL LIFE that is as smart and law abiding as seen on (((TV))). Will be rare enough you could link his linkin page Bill Cosby no longer counts

          • Costa Est September 24, 2016 at 5:04 am

            A few (US black citizens) both inside the US & working temporarily abroad.

    • N0 0ne September 17, 2016 at 1:59 pm

      “Proposition nation” is an oxymoron.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:27 pm

        Not even sure what you’re trying to say.

        • N0 0ne September 19, 2016 at 12:22 pm

          That’s not surprising, given your posts so far. Keep trying– some leftists eventually learn.

    • Severn September 17, 2016 at 2:56 pm

      All you leftists think that an America with borders would be “Nazi Germany” – as if the distinctive feature of Nazi Germany was border control. The problem with this country is that most people are appallingly poorly educated, as your attempt at argument illustrates.

      We were in fact founded on nationalism and on protectionism, as anybody with even a casual familiarity with the writings of the Founders would know.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:02 am

        The 25 Points of Hitler’s Nazi Party

        1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

        2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

        3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

        4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

        5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

        6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

        We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

        7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

        8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

        9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

        10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

        • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:09 am

          The Nazis made lists. You make lists. Ergo……
          You are an idiot.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 11:11 am

            Weird how nicely Trump dovetails with Nazi beliefs. Separate laws for immigrants, evicting immigrants, stopping immigration, etc, etc.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:30 am

            Almost as weird as the way your arguments dovetail so nicely with anti-white bigots.

          • Severn September 18, 2016 at 12:11 pm

            The Nazis wore pants, Trump wears pants, ergo …. you’re a brainless bigot.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:25 pm

            Beliefs aren’t the same as pants. Just so you know.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:08 pm

            Borders aren’t the same as Ovens. Just so you know.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:32 pm

            Controlled borders turned into ovens. Just so you know.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:06 pm

            Are you expecting annuda Shoah if Trump is elected?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm

            No, but you guys think one is coming. You think white people are somehow going to be exterminated because a black family moves into the neighborhood.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:43 pm

            Okay now you’ve gone full on hysterical.

            Let’s stop our back and forth.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:10 pm

            Any time you’re ready. I hope you learned something.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 3:25 pm

            I have come to understand that nearly always the haters and weaklings who indulge in anti-gringo bigotry live in the whitest zip codes, and send their children to the whitest schools. Barack Obama, Rev Jeremiah White, Louis Farakhan, the cucks, the ayn rand fetishists, and of course the entirety of the media being examples.

            And yet, it is only those unfortunate Gringoes who are forced to live with the reality of minority violence, minority racism, and minority dyscivic impact that are demonized as “racist”. Morons like you, who often have few NAM minorities in their lives, have drunk of the mindfuck so deeply that you can imagine no other reason why your fellow human beings (black and white) often do not want to live in proximity to blacks other than (in the case of the Gringoes) racism. No rational reasons for avoiding blacks enters your pretty little head. You think pretty little thoughts that carefully steer away from threatening any 1% priorities. You are a pageant Libertarian and a weakling.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:44 pm

            Working in inner city hospitals for over 6 years had me flee die verse city.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 7:00 pm

            Preach it brother. My go to question is “what are the demographics of your block and your kids school”. The answers almost always are what you’d expect. My recent favorite is the cucked white bragging how he lives in (recently ethnically cleansed) Harlem as if he’s living in the ghetto. I can’t even.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm

            Actually if you look at the site White Girl Bleed A Lot, you will see how interracial crime works out.
            San Fran Public schools are 8% black but blacks are 71% of students arrested in school. Adult numbers are more “disparate”. Unless the Gaykk cops and teachers collaborated to ignore Asian girls stabbing people for money because of their ninja heritage equalism doesn’t exist

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:44 pm

            So you think if Colin Powell moved in next to you, white people would start to die?

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:25 pm

            Colon’s relatives regress to the mean. The richest black neighborhoods have higher per capital crime than the poorest white neighborhoods. Don’t play the unicorn outlier with me, I know how rare Pink Pistols members are in the gay community. There are more guys like Anderson Cooper who hopes moslems bring Bacha Bazi to the US so he doesn’t have to fly to their lands.

            Obvious you didn’t see Colon Powell’s hacked Email from Bohemian Grove last week.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:45 pm

            The problem with your scenario is that blacks are a serious minority, so there are essentially zero rich black neighborhoods, because rich blacks live with rich white, hispanic and Asian people.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:56 pm

            Tons of $200k/year affirmative action government workers in suburbs around DC. That onlyl means its a BMW flipped upsidedown into a KFC on MLK boulevard.

            This link is better than the Mexican who complained about TRUM’s Mexican rape comments getting busted for raping an illegal alien. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/One-Dead-After-Vehicle-Crashes-Into-KFC-139760423.html

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:18 pm

            Idiot. You can’t understand that even if that preposterously ignorant assertion WERE true that would strengthen BGS’s argument? What it would mean is even high income blacks LIVING AMONGST whites and Asians, sharing their schools, jobs, shopping etc (IOW not living in the hood) even so have higher crime rates than poorer whites who do not share those same benefits. Your environmental bullshit doesn’t explain the large differences, probably less than half of the difference in many important quality of life issues like crime, IQ, welfare participation. Really kid, this is just getting embarrassing. You don’t reason well and you only read your fundamentalist dogma so you don’t know very much.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 6:53 pm

            The truth is right in your statement but you can’t see it.
            Oh the lulz

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:57 pm

            Go ahead, try to explain it. I know what you think you’re saying, but I want to actually see how ridiculous it is in print.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 7:19 pm

            Ahhhhh raaaaaaaaaaacistttt
            Point sputter point sputter.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:27 pm

            Obvious you didn’t see Colon Powell’s hacked Email from Bohemian Grove last week.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:46 pm

            Jews come from a rent-seeking region, and tend to dominate rent-seeking and appointment-based professions. Therefore they tend to instinctively see the world in zero-sum terms. This is why simple white survival appears to them to be white supremacy: everything is a life-and-death struggle for that tenure-track position.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 7:50 pm

            Your perception of the problem is right on.

            We need a Final Solution.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:04 pm

            At least you admit it, Nazi lover.

          • Shep September 19, 2016 at 3:06 am

            I’d like to invite you to my new Spa.

            Two of my greeters will meet you at the gate.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bfb308320937d3ee17888038ee233aa7a1d9c91e760a18ade993e74496c94dd1.jpg

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:38 pm

            Oddly it was bath house Barry Obama who raised the exit tax to renounce US citizenship to higher than the Not Sees

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm

            No shit, which is why Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same now.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:40 pm

            See the video of gays marching side by side with skinheads protesting the beheading of a UK soldier Lee Rigby in London in broad daylight. Note the handsome man holding the rainbow flag at 1:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ_iXZyoN7k
            Even queers take Not Sees over moslems

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:42 pm

            Well, as long as you’re willing to suck Nazi dick, that really isn’t my business.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:28 pm

            They said they would give me some jew boys as slaves

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:42 pm

            Well, good luck with that.

        • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:05 pm

          You…..have…..lost….your….mind.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:30 pm

            You have lost your argument.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 6:50 pm

            Brah. You’re getting thoroughly thrashed and it’s amusing that you are too dim to know it. I thought you were just a troll at first but nope. You seem to really believe you’re making coherent points
            PS I love when you called them racists. So bold!
            You get em tiger.

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:36 pm

          Why do jews like you hate those who say “I wish Israel well but don’t think we should keep giving them $8billion a year from the taxpayers” more than the moslem imams who say “the holo cost didn’t go far enough”

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:41 pm

            That makes no sense. WTF are you attempting to say?

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:05 am

        You need to read about the difference between a nation and a federation. Federalist 39, you ignorant savage. “Give me liberty or give me death” is not the cry of a protectionist. You are the ignorant product of public indoctrination.

        • Severn September 18, 2016 at 12:21 pm

          Liberty at the time of the Founders meant the liberty of peoples, not of individuals. In fact the word “individual’ is conspicuously absent from the writings of the Founders – and completely absent in its modern, libertarian sense.

          That’s why the Constitution opens with the words “We the people of the United States”, and the Declaration of Independence with “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
          to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”.

          “Give me liberty of give me death” was the cry of a populist nationalist, not of a anarcho-individualist expressing his wish to “do his own thing”.

        • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:04 pm

          Your name calling is out of hand.

          Get a hold of yourself.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:30 pm

            It is perfectly apt.

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:35 pm

          “Give me $5 wet back BJs or give my neighbors daughter death by drunken didndus” is your motto.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:40 pm

            I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean. Once again, in English?

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:22 pm

            What do you pay home depot wet backs $5 for?

    • bossmanglb September 18, 2016 at 12:34 am

      Are you serious? Have acquainted yourself with the biographies of our founders or seriously studied history? What makes you go plenty off the reservation and say dumb things like “we’re not Nazi Germany” when quoting a passage about building a freaking border wall?

      You think building a border wall is Nazi Germany? Are you retarded?! It’s a wall–not concentration camps with ovens.

      Have you every read, oh, the Naturalization Act of 1790

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

      “Alternately known as the Nationality Act, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted citizenship to “any alien, being a free white person” who had been in the U.S. for two years. In effect, it left out indentured servants, slaves, and most women.”

      Our Founders had views on race and nationalism that would make your head spin.
      I mean, I can’t believe knowing even the rudiments of American history–say, on slavery and Native Americans, or trade tariffs–you would make such silly declarations. America was founded on heaps and heaps of nationalism, xenophobia, protectionism–and much, much worse.

      If we could resurrect the Founders and you think they would look neutrally on the importation of around 50 million Mexican immigrants in a very short time, you really have no understanding whatsoever.

      • Michel Houellebecq September 18, 2016 at 3:28 am

        it’s 55 million hispanics, not mexicans. i read that in an ft weekend piece about jorge ramos. ramos openly says he’s looking forward to whites being a minority in the interview.
        https://www.ft.com/content/2612f0c6-7b66-11e6-ae24-f193b105145e

        could you image the reaction if limbaugh, or coulter said: “the trend of blacks leaving washington dc is fantastic. i look forward to them being a minority.”

        • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:10 am

          It shouldn’t matter if white people are a minority or not in a free Natural Rights society.

          • Michel Houellebecq September 18, 2016 at 8:51 am

            diversity ——-> ethnic spoils system. no one will care about muh constitution.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:11 pm

            No one cares about it now.

          • Phil Rogers September 18, 2016 at 9:00 am

            Except that only whites care about ideology, everyone else cares identity.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 11:52 am

            I’m sure everyone would feel better about your whole science denialism race-doesn’t-matter argument if you could just point to even one non white free Natural Rights Society.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:12 pm

            There aren’t any of them at all anymore, thanks to shitty conservatives

          • Severn September 18, 2016 at 12:11 pm

            In other words “In the ideal world of my adolescent imagination, it would make no difference if America was populated whites, blacks, Christians, Muslims, or tentacled aliens from Epsilon Eridani.”

            There is no difference between you and the communists. You both expect the world to conform to your utopian ideology rather than design a system which takes people as they actually are into account.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:06 pm

            It would if Latrina’s 21 crackbabies had claim to my earnings. It takes over 100 white people to support just 1 3rd worlder on 1st world standards. We hide it with debt, but Switzerland has a pay as you go system showing that even 1000 productive taxpaying whites are over burdened by a squatmonster with 7 kids eating up over $60,000USD a month. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758055/Outraged-Swiss-village-1-000-residents-forced-raise-taxes-African-refugee-mother-seven-moves-costs-40-000-month-benefits.html
            Every AIDS AFRICAN will eat $30,000-$60,000 in AIDS drugs alone at taxpayer expense.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:32 pm

            Ummm, yeah, well, that wouldn’t be a free Natural Rights society, now would it? I’m talking over your head, am I not?

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:49 am

        So, you clearly can’t understand the difference between naturalization and immigration. Good job. What does the NAo1790 say about immigration? Oh, wait, NOTHING. Ignorance is a choice.

    • Michel Houellebecq September 18, 2016 at 3:24 am

      read every immigration act between 1790 and 1952. the “america has always been open,” narrative is a retconning of history.

      this country is supposed to be a wasp ethno-state (as are canada, australia, and new zealand).

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:47 am

        There were no immigration acts until the Page Act 1875. Read a book.

        • Michel Houellebecq September 18, 2016 at 8:49 am

          My comment was referring to the following part of your comment: We were founded in Natural Rights, not nationalism, not xenophobia,
          not protectionism
          .

          US law was explicitly nationalist, xenophobic, and protectionist for 200ish years: https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/us-commission-immigration-reform-barbara-jordan-commission.html; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DckY2dRFtxc; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0

          Arguing over whether the law is an immigration act, or a naturalization act is a tactic to distract from the central issue.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:12 pm

            Not for the first one hundred years. Not like what came after. We are regressing as a country and have been since day one. We are far worse than our British overlords.

        • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm

          I guess we didn’t need it before then because we annexed Texas in 1844.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:29 pm

            Nonetheless, there were no immigration law, because the newly formed states would have rebelled against it. It took 100 years for them to let down their guard, and after Lincoln destroyed the 10th Amendment.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:44 pm

            You are so lost.

            Like my other response to you, let’s quit talking.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:25 pm

            As you wish.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:48 pm

            Funny he was just preaching equality but now acknowledges that Asians are like whites

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:33 pm

            Well well to be fair preaching dogma does not require coherence. He’s a fundamentalist and we are attacking his faith based bigotry with facts and logic.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 3:39 pm

            There was little interest in immigration laws until non-European immigration became worrisome. Idiot. Get your head out of Your arse, there is a real world out there beyond Libertarian fundamentalism.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:45 pm

            Right, because hard working, law abiding Chinese were so scary.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:47 pm

            So you recognize that Asians are less criminal than those who evolved in R selected environments. Evolution didn’t stop at the neck in humans.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:26 pm

            You may want o look up the history of legally excluding Chinese. Individual Chinese were not scary, you betray your ignorance of our ancestors again. But while one Chinese immigrant is a laundyman, a million are an invasion. Family, tribe, Nation. Chinese were not excluded because they were scary, or hated, or inferior- but because they were not family, tribe, Nation. Get out of the fundie prison, the truth is a lot more fun and interesting than libertarian dogma.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:39 pm

            “unconstitutionally excluding Chinese” FIFY. Given that Chinese are notoriously hard working and highly intelligent, imagine how much more powerful the US would be, with millions more Asians (and Jews) living here.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 7:04 pm

            It would be great like China or Israel but not like America. A nation isn’t a spreadsheet you traitorous moron.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:46 pm

            Before welfare even 1/3 of whites went back to Europe because they couldn’t succeed here. Jews owning the slave boats and auctions, Lincoln wanted to send them back to Africa but a member of the tribe killed him

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm

            So what? Do you know that one of the reasons was that black people skewed the job market, leaving little for minimally skilled Europeans to do. This was a fear discussed during the writing of the Constitution. But they never worried about immigrants coming here freely. No record of it at all.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm

            From the journal of blacks in Higher EDU. Shows the poorest white trash are as smart as the most successful blacks. 50% of US jewish families owned slaves and taxed southerners for they system to keep them in place. This also kept white wages down. All the stereotypes you say about southerners is because blacks brought hookworm with them that blacks are adapted to. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/bodyhorrors/2011/04/25/blood-money-hookworm-economics-in-the-postbellum-south/#.V98kHuTruUk

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:50 pm

            Nope, not true at all. Where do you get your stats? KKK Monthly?

    • Solaire Of Astora September 18, 2016 at 12:36 pm

      The country was founded by slave owners who straight up said that foreigners didn’t possess the magnanimity native to British men and that immigrants from other cultures would dilute the nation’s adherence to constitutional principles.

    • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 1:42 pm

      The founding fathers and the subsequent generation was very clear, America was founded for THEIR posterity. To expect uneducated impoverished law breakers from socialist nations to accept the American “proposition” en masse upon stepping across the border is fantastical, especially when the culture and the political establishment makes it so easy not to assimilate.

      What do you think? The sum of Western knowledge will magically download into their minds en Espanol?

      I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you believe you love America (which you don’t). How long do you think America will resemble a free and democratic America at the current rate of unfettered immigration?

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:44 pm

        Do you think that Mexico is filled with people in sarapes and sombreros? Have you ever left the US?

        • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 1:52 pm

          Mexico is full of poor semi literates weaned on socialism, but not as full as it used to be thanks to our open borders. I live amongst immigrants and promise you, most have no love whatsoever for the USA.

          The typical illegal immigrant can’t even write in his own language beyond the basics.

          And for the record, they wear cheap western shirts and pointy toe cowboy boots.

          🙂

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:55 pm

            And I teach them English and they are eager to learn and assimilate.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:59 pm

            Do you invite them to live in your house for free?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:27 pm

            You don’t understand the difference between public and private property and the fact that I have the right to invite them.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:44 pm

            Do you invite them to live in your house. Yes or no?

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 4:19 pm

            Of course he doesn’t. He expects you and the public to share the costs of importing 3rd world failures while he expects to privatize the benefits I.e. Lower wages, greater sales. That’s what he means when he says you don’t understand the difference between private and public. The profit is mine and the costs are ours. A useful idiot for the 1%.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:43 pm

            He might be one of((( those ))) who profit from the redistribution to 3rd world benefit seekers.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:23 pm

            Uh….no, dummy, it is Republicans who believe in welfare and medicare and other social programs. Ask Trump.

          • Shep September 19, 2016 at 2:53 am

            Yes, the Zio-Bamker Class dream.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:22 pm

            Sure, I would. Especially refugees in need.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:41 pm

            Whose taxes are paying to give Somalia moslems classes on how to use toilets in section 8 houses?
            We fled die verse city after the food stamp card went down for 8 hours on 10-12-2013, you can see the chimp out videos on youtube. When the food stamps fail the free stuff army will cannibalize the white liberals near by that think they are equal

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:39 pm

            He pays them $5 for a BJ but then sends them away

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 7:51 pm

            Er…he pays them annuda $10 to stray the night and rob him.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:15 pm

            That’s mighty white of you, John. Even if I believed you, which I don’t, the hundreds registering for your class has a desire to learn. The thousands upon thousands more don’t.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:26 pm

            Again with the racism.

            Imagine what would happen if, instead of spending $millions on keeping foreigners out, and instead of harassing them and insulting them and paying to elect xenophobic bigots like Trump, the Republican Party gave free English lessons to immigrants along with classes on the Constitution and American history. You’d never lose another election, but the problem is, your hatred of minorities is more important to you than winning.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:38 pm

            Leftists only import low IQ 3rd worlders because they know they will always vote for the party of more free stuff. That’s why bath house barry Obama deported German homeschoolers but welcomes MS-13 facial tattooed bangers.
            The real White supremacists are those willing to risk life & limb to get onto the welfare system of a white nation

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 4:48 pm

            Everyone please notice how the paid Soros troll redefines reality:

            Enforcing immigration law = harassment.
            Speaking truth = insulting
            Patriotic = xenophobic

            If you do not suspend your grasp of reality to buy into his progressive double speak then you’re hateful.

            Ash, you just don’t get it. No one here other than you cares about being called a racist or a bigot. I snort laugh every time I see a nervous nancy like you use that label and talk like a preschooler throwing around infantile expressions like “that’s hateful.”

            These weapons of the left, and yes you are very much a leftist, are ineffectual on the new right.

            Welcome to a new world of Alt Right ascendancy. You and your kind are toast.

            And FYI, I’m a minority. LOL

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 6:17 pm

            Ahhhhhhhsheeeet! I am the slow one here. He’s been trolling us. No one could be this stupid. Trolls=boring.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:01 pm

            Even 4th generation Hispanics have made no headway, while Asians fresh off the boat leave ESL classes in 3 months. The only group 4th gen Hispanics beats is US blacks.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:31 pm

            Not true. I lived in New Mexico and knew many, many hispanics and all could speak English. You’re simply making shit up.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 4:09 pm

            And vote Libertarian, right? Good thing they don’t vote to bring more hatred, bigotry and racism into our society by supporting the hate left. Gracias a Dios!
            You don’t think well. And unfortunately you are not emotionally healthy enough to substitute your feeling for reason. We call that childhood.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:30 pm

            Actually, they increasingly are. I know Mexicans who have started a libertarian party in Mexico and who are libertarians living in the US.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 6:15 pm

            Well as well as long as you know “Mexicans” then I guess we can all just take a hit off your fundie Bong and ignore decades of data about how Latino immigrants vote. Idiot.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:11 pm

            Are you the one on the left or the right of this picture?
            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsUl9MoUEAIugIi.jpg

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:29 pm

            Neither.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:35 pm

            The one on the left is making an honest attempt to share “white privilege” & education people.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:36 pm

            Actually, I’m the guy in the bowtie, and I teach Mexican kids about anarchy and libertarianism and natural rights.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:58 pm

            Mexico isn’t even Socialism.

            More like anarchy run by Drug Cartels.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:11 pm

            I’m gonna assume you meant to say, “Mexico isn’t socialistic” … Mexico is more complex than you let on, the elite class doesn’t have total control but neither do the cartels. Mexico is however steeped in socialism, from entitlements to education. The government, the entire government from local to national levels is corrupt, nepotistic and nothing can be accomplished without bribes or quid pro quo politics. And Mexico is just one of many corrupt Latin nations, most of which are very socialistic to some degree. We are importing entire populations baked in that dysfunctional oven. And that’s not even mentioning illegals from Communist China.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:23 pm

            Tell me what good American conservatives like yourself are teaching immigrants about good government and the Constitution. I’ll wait.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 4:54 pm

            1st, I’m not a conservative. Conservatism failed America and most leaders of the movement are progressives in conservative drag.

            2nd, why do we, as individuals or as a government need to provide free classes on civics or the constitution? If someone truly loves this nation and wants to relinquish their former national identity and become a US citizen, they will learn it on their own. There is no stopping a determined soul.

            Anything given and free is never appreciated or cherished.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:58 pm

            Cuckservative didn’t even conserve little girls bathrooms from men in wigs

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 5:00 pm

            Yup. Conservatism is a joke.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:35 pm

            Well, you can ignore immigrants and allow them to be indoctrinated as they did with blacks, and lose, or you can take control and win. Your choice. I couldn’t care less.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:57 pm

            Cuckservatives like you couldn’t even conserve little girls bathrooms from men

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:53 pm

            So the next step is to import their lowest of low classes from there into the USA?

            Make sense of that.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:28 pm

            My brother in law is a well paid programmer.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 4:04 pm

            Oh well, as long as you know one immigrant who is “well paid” fuck the working and middle class, amirite? After all that’s how science works. I know a person…

            You are an idiot

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:29 pm

            Hey, you are the generalizing bigot, I’m just pointing out that you’re an asshole bigot.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 6:11 pm

            Bigoted against who or what? Please give examples.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:23 pm

            Wrong, it’s national socialism and they’re trying to escape it. Or were, before the US got as bad.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:45 pm

            Explain Mexico’s Political Economics.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:27 pm

            It is a kleptocracy masquerading as democratic socialism.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 4:01 pm

            That is the only intelligent thing you have said. So naturally we should welcome tens of millions, why not hundreds of millions more kleptocrats to improve America? Cuz the hugely majority white, low immigration, low import, working class loving America of the fifties sucked! Let us be Somalia. That’s a program every idiot can get behind.

          • Shep September 19, 2016 at 2:54 am
          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:59 pm

            Nope, that is a result of American imperialism. Nice try.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:00 pm

            Many can’t even speak Spanish. I am not just talking about real Spanish but Mixtec

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:13 pm

            And? Failure of government education isn’t their fault.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:58 pm

            Now this is hysterical. The libertarian who asserts that (white) individuals have no need for big government now asserts that (brown) immigrants can’t learn to be Americans without it.

            Yet another admission that immigration is a net drag on Americans.

        • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:57 pm

          Are you intoning that the individuals that come here from Mexico are a sophisticated bunch?

          You do realize that most Latin American countries are run by Whites of Spanish descent….right?

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:00 pm

            The irony is that “white” doesn’t refer to the color of skin for most Latins. It’s synonymous with Anglos now. I’m friends with several wealthy Mexicans, all 100% European by blood, and they regularly use the term “white people” solely as a label for Anglo Americans. And BTW they are some of the most racist people you’ll ever meet.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:22 pm

            I’m saying they are more patriotic than you.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:45 pm

            Patriotic about Mexico or the USA?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:26 pm

            Both. That’s the sad part.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 3:54 pm

            Patriotic? To the country they left? Or to the country whose laws many tens of millions violated?
            You are an idiot.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:05 pm

            Both.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 5:08 pm

            You can’t serve 2 masters. You like the guy who took down the Puerto Rican flag and replaced it with an American flag at the OH house of Horrors. If the 3 Puerto Ricans had cured cancer instead of kidnaping white girls and raping them in their basement it would have been a hate crime.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:57 pm

            Fredo Arias-King, aide to
            Vicente Fox, wrote about how both leftists and cuckservative politicians both wanted more low class immigrants because they are more comfortable with corruption and the client-patron Nobility that the founders wanted to avoid. He knew corruption was Mexico’s biggest problem

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:04 pm

            And?

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 5:06 pm

            You are not smart enough to understand it.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:56 pm

            Blaming the victim. Despicable. But once again you are too slow to recognize you have weakened your own argument: even if true it begs the question “why should we want immigrants we must reeducate as opposed to those wo don’t? Or none at all?”

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:21 pm

            Oh, hahaha, you think “conservatives” are the “victims” of immigration. Fucking hilarious.

            No, the question is, why do you get to decide who has rights and who doesn’t?

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 7:13 pm

            We get to decide who gets to come into and live in this country.full stop. And any reason up to and including because “I just feel like it” are acceptable.
            Furthermore it is not our responsibility beyond basic niceties to arrainge, assure or persuade their assimilation.
            Have you ever spent time in another country? Would you ever make these demands for yourself on another nation? You’re ridiculous.

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:52 pm

          Actually all the smart Mexicans are in Mexico, what we get are who would be on welfare if mexico had welfare. That’s why the Clintons extracted Elian Gonzalez from a closet to send back, only the right side of the IQ bell curve flees Cuban collectivism.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:03 pm

            That’s untrue. I have many very bright Mexican friends who live and work in the US.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:24 pm

            That makes no sense.

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:55 pm

          Amnesty international proves TRUMP was wrong about mexico sending their rapists. Presidente Calderon was right “where there are Mexicans there is mexico”

          Article about 70% of women arrested in mexico getting raped by cops. http://www.france24.com/en/20160628-mexico-police-troops-routinely-rape-arrested-women-amnesty

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:01 pm

            Americans take their culture with them wherever they go. They don’t assimilate. Their kids do, however, if they remain.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:23 pm

            Right, and so you think it is horrible that people want to escape that.

      • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:55 pm

        People like John Ash think these people are Natural Conservatives.

        • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:57 pm

          Yep, because I know them and they still believe in America the Free, even though that is just a quaint fiction now.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:58 pm

            Tell me about “America the Free.”

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:21 pm

            That was the initial plan in the Constitutution. Free trade, strong defense, zero offense, individual freedom. Natural Rights.

            Any questions?

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:47 pm

            The USA was founded on Mercantilism.

            http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h622.html

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:26 pm

            That isn’t the US, it was British mercantilism, but nice try. Read your own links next time.

          • Shep September 19, 2016 at 2:58 am

            You have to be one of the dumbest trolls in the internet’s history.
            The stuff you say is mind numbingly stupid.

            Good God Man!

            Retreat!

          • John Ash September 19, 2016 at 8:09 am

            But I’m not a racist or a bigot like you guys, so I take that as a compliment.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:48 pm

            Read this…The Navigation Acts.

            http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h621.html

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:49 pm

            Free welfare cheese free gibbsmedat, all for one ((((tribe))) to profit from destruction.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 3:50 pm

            And there you have it. This idiot admits he believes that the 65 million immigrants we have imported since the 1965 act are “natural conservatives”. Of course! And now we understand why conservatives have been so successful implementing their agenda of smaller government, lower taxes, originalist judges, race neutral laws and policies. Because of the support of the titanic new wave of immigrants that arrived on our shores, and upon setting foot on our magic dirt promptly shook off their thousands of years of national/ tribal/religious/linguistic and genetic programming and emerged, butterfly-like, as fully formed conservative Americans. Thank Allah they didn’t all vote democratic/hate left, amirite? Where would we be now!
            Thank you, Genius, for explaining the last 50 years so lucidly.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:00 pm

            You don’t seem to understand how saying “we hate immigrants” keeps natural conservatives from voting for conservatives. Good jawb.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 5:52 pm

            We we have received tens of millions of legal immigrants. We have further received tens of millions of illegal immigrants, all since 1965. In that time middle and working class wages have stopped rising and have either declined or stagnated. The share of national income earned by the same middle and working class that was once rising are also declining. The share of national income earned by the 1%, falling during the years of low immigration! have risen since the floodgates have been opened in 1965. Tens of millions of good factory jobs have been deported through 1% trade deals though few illegal immigrants have.

            We don’t hate immigrants. But neither do we drink the low IQ open borders koolaid which proclaims that despite your lying eyes all human beings are equvabots. Some tribes make better athletes than others. Some tribes make better mathematicians than others. Some tribes make better neighbors than others. some tribes make better Americans than others. We like science more than fundamentalist dogma that protects weaklings from facing the facts of life. We like America. We like borders. We like Americans. Better than we like many foreighners. None of that means we hate immigrants. But you know that. You are simply unwilling to give up the hate weapon that will blunt your opponents in the way that your “arguments” utterly fail to do.

            And you say it is WE who are responsible for the behavior and attitudes of immigrants. If only we would give them more, love them more- they have no moral agency themselves, this is all on us. All that enters your pageant head is to blame the victim.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:34 pm

            Hahahaha, when “conservatives” had power, they implemented no smaller government or originalist judges or race neutral policies. They governed like Democrats.

        • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:13 pm

          John Ash is a paid Soros troll.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:19 pm

            Nope. Nice try.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 4:55 pm

            Soros appreciates your volunteer work.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:59 pm

            Soros is a disgusting pig. Nice try.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm

            Yet, you wallow in the same mud as him. You should be paid.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:52 pm

            And displays the IQ to show it.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:12 pm

            Thanks, I have an IQ of 145, glad you noticed.

          • Shep September 19, 2016 at 3:00 am

            Take the 1 out before the 45 and you’ll be on target.

            By the way, you looked great at your job yesterday, I even took a picture of you..

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cbeaedaa032426782e55bcb110812162e84474faf31eb1cc43ba327fdaa1e653.jpg

          • John Ash September 19, 2016 at 8:08 am

            Dumb. Though close, I did own a cheesesteak and chili dog place for several years.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 4:56 pm

            He’s mentally ill like most progressives.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:57 pm

            Incorrect. I’m quite sane.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 7:49 pm

            I;m not even sure he has an ideology.

        • Matt Frihart January 28, 2017 at 5:48 am

          he doesnt even know the meaning of natural conservative, or where it derives from

          • John Ash February 1, 2017 at 8:50 am

            i’m sorry, not everyone is born white, speaking English and gets to call themselves a “natural conservative”

    • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:22 pm

      The original law in the US was that only whites of good character could become citizens. Russian Roulette is importing 3rd world moslems from a nation Doctors Without Borders fled from and expecting MAJIK DIRT to turn them into 1stworlders. Why are we importing savage somolia moslems like the one who beheaded a male Nurse in Lewistown Maine last AUG or the Mall Of America attacks this week when there are White homeless children in the US?

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm

        That had nothing to do with immigration, which applied to everyone and also was designed to keep the South on board, by denying citizenship to blacks, in part to keep them from being used to puff up Southern political power.

        • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 4:25 pm

          My you are slow. What BGS relates is that the founders were not naive white weaklings, like you know- libertarians. They clearly and in many words and acts prioritized family, tribe, nation- just like the rest of the world, except for weakling cucks.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm

            Show me that in the Constitution.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm

        Also, if you haven’t noticed, you’re palling around with some serious homophobes on this thread.

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:15 pm

          If the choice is Moslems or Knot Seas I know which I would rather have as neighbors.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm

            Well, like I said, your sex life is your business.

      • Costa Est September 24, 2016 at 5:09 am

        Well homeless children, white or otherwise.
        Homelessness comes in many different colors.

    • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:17 pm
      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:38 pm

        Which one…what? I absolutely favor, and am voting for, a chaste President who favors open borders.

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 4:50 pm

          HilLIARy has licked more carpet than bill.

          • John Ash September 19, 2016 at 8:07 am

            How is that remotely relevant?

  9. Shep September 17, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    Decius wrote probably the best piece I’ve read in the last 15 years.

    I’ve read ‘The Flight 93 Election’ at least 7 times now and it still blows my mind.

    I turned my whole family and friends on to it and they think the same thing.

    Rush Limbaugh did a whole show on it about 10 days ago.

    Therefore I think Decius is being humble when he says “Not that I got the greatest education, but it was pretty good. Still the people who taught me were far more
    educated than I am now, and the oldest ones were the best educated of
    the bunch.”

    It’s safe to say he that since the time “he didn’t get the greatest education” he learned a helluva lot up to this point.

    His writing and critical thinking skills are totally impressive to the point that he makes all other contemporary conservative “Thinkfluencers” look like charlatans.

    • jack dobson September 17, 2016 at 7:32 pm

      Agreed. “The Flight 93 Election” easily is among the most influential political essays in this nation’s history. The harsh reaction of True Conservatism, Inc., was predictable although the ferocity has been stunning.

      • Shep September 17, 2016 at 7:48 pm

        Yes and their lack of seriousness in addressing the indictment says it all.

        Conservatism Inc has shown their true colors.

        • Jac Wright September 18, 2016 at 10:58 pm

          The sheet of paper Donald Trump passed to Mr. Oz is a self typed LIE with a BRIBE telling Oz: “$100K If you say on TV my health is great.” It is a self-typed up LIE starting with the HEIGHT: Trump is 1 inch shorter than the LIE on his self typed sheet. And so is every thing else- weight, blood pressure, …. – EVERYTHING is a self typed LIE.

          Trump is waving his arms around and kicking the air to HIDE his LONG HISTORYT of HEART ATTACKS and STAMACH ULCERS! Trump is a OLD, OLD dying man. He is resorting to all sorts of FAKE ANTICS and LIES to HIDE his HISTORY of HEART ATTACKS & ATOMACH ULCERS. This candidate doth protest too much. This candidate doth do LIES, scams & fake antics too much.

          Trump has FAILED the HEALTH REPORT requirement for this job.
          Trump has FAILED the CREDIT REPORT requirement for this job.
          Trump is NOT UNDER AUDIT.
          All A LONG LITANY OF LIES.

          Trump is up to his ears in debt to the RUSSIAN MAFIA, the MUSLIM OIL TYCOONS, and the CHINESE TRIADS. Trump is drowning in debt many times more than his few hundred million $$ assets. The reason he is running for Presidency is to RAID the PEOPLE’s BANK and save hiself from his 7th bankruptcy.

          Trump is an ailing, dying, imcompetant, bankrupt business failure.

          • ricocat1 September 19, 2016 at 3:58 am

            I wish I looked as healthy and robust as Donald Trump. You must have Trump confused with Hillary who is obviously very ill and does have proven ties to the Russian Mafia and the Muslim oil tycoons.

          • John Ash September 19, 2016 at 8:06 am

            Neither one are even close to as healthy as Gary Johnson.

          • Matt Frihart January 28, 2017 at 4:18 am

            neither one are as close to irrelevant either……

          • John Ash January 28, 2017 at 7:14 am

            Good jawb. You chose a circus clown because obnoxious is relevant.

          • sotto voce October 10, 2016 at 1:38 pm

            You misspelled Trump. It’s actually C-L-I-N-T-O-N. Make a note of it. 🙂

          • CincyGal October 11, 2016 at 2:33 pm

            How did you find this web site???

          • The Demon Slick October 14, 2016 at 2:05 am

            I think you are experiencing cognitive dissonance. You should get yourself a pair of Zeiss z1s. The Cobalt blue lenses will help you. Try to relax.

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:12 am

        Oh please. That’s just pathetic.

        • Severn September 18, 2016 at 12:26 pm

          That isn’t an actual rebuttal. Try again.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:00 pm

            It wasn’t supposed to be. It was a complete dismissal of an asinine statement.

        • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:54 pm

          What are you even doing here?

          Maybe you should head on back over to Red State or National Review.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:56 pm

            What are you, there are supposed to be thinkers here, not idiot nationalists.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:03 pm

            Ah the sign of a butt hurt “True Conservative.”

            You called me an idiot.

            Remember, Anger and Fear are almost the same thing.

            Tell us what you have to lose if Trump is elected?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:18 pm

            More freedoms than I’ve already lost. The remains of a damaged economy as we go into trade war after trade war. And more.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:49 pm

            What trade wars?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:59 pm

            The ones Trump wants to start.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:21 pm

            The ones Trump is itching to start.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:07 pm

            Trade war don’t you mean 5000+ page (((FREE TRADE))) agreements that are nothing but crony set asides?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:17 pm

            That’s why I’m voting for a guy that supports free trade AND wants to simplify trade agreements and eliminate crony capitalism. Trump wants crony capitalism. As much as possible, for the US.

          • Matt Frihart January 28, 2017 at 4:47 am

            so you cant even see we are already IN a trade war? in fact several of them, and we’re losing thanks to inept politicians of the last 30 years…….. for someone so deadly afraid of trade wars, you might want to open your eyes to whats going on around you.

            Johnson represents zero knowledge of foreign policy or trade, its clear from his interviews so while he spouts the game, for a man of his experience in the political arena, he should be vastly more experienced than he is, and have a more complete view of the world as its currently constituted…… his lack of that knowledge is plainly evidenced by the public by and large and why he never had and never has cracked 15% of the electorate.

            also you may want to look up the definition of crony capitalism……. because what you describe as crony, as actually governments playing favorite, which every government in the world does, including ours…… if we stop, we get run over. so might as well have someone that champions american companies and does what he can to protect them in a hostile world economic environment. Johnson doesnt have the political know-how to do that, no politician before trump, since reagan has.

          • John Ash February 1, 2017 at 8:47 am

            No, we have trade tension, not a war. Trump is risking an actual trade war because he is showing his willingness to start one unilaterally.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault September 19, 2016 at 2:25 pm

            A left blogger would have requested that you are so frustrating that you ought to suicide. Maybe that’s soon from the right as well?

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:54 pm

            Why is Nationalism idiocy?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:59 pm

            Because it promotes love of government or territory and disdain for other humans, government and territory.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 3:02 pm

            I get it, you’re for a world without borders.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:16 pm

            Borders for government, not people.

          • Ace September 20, 2016 at 1:25 am

            The libertarian mantra. Stupidity (inundation by parasitic foreigners) passed off as a love of liberty.

            I don’t blame Johnson but the Libertarian Party convention was emblematic of what to expect from libertarians – sounds great but sooner or later the guy will get up on stage and dance in his jock strap.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:04 pm

            No one on earth can produce the golden eggs that Western civilization can but everyone wants them. In order to produce them they would have to adapt to western values. China and Israel can copy but not innovate.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:16 pm

            Israel’s tech sector is growing exponentially. They are innovating like crazy. Western culture is replacing conquistador culture and all other cultures, slowly but surely.

          • Ace September 20, 2016 at 1:19 am

            Israelis seem plenty innovative to me.

          • Ace September 20, 2016 at 1:14 am

            A pathetic misstatement.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:59 pm

            It is especially valued by people who have low self-esteem or are narcissistic and it feeds their warped ego.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:06 pm
          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:14 pm

            I couldn’t care less if someone calls me a racist. Water off a duck’s back. I’ve dated all kinds of women and have had gay, black, hispanic, indian roommates.

          • Mcineral✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm
          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:14 pm

            Nope. Might make BigGaySteve hard though.

          • Stanley1 September 20, 2016 at 12:02 am

            What an insufferably smug twit you must be in person.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:21 pm

            Because it teaches love of government and territory over love of human beings.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 4:35 pm

            You could not be more stupid. Nationalism is about the Nation, the tribe, the People- not the government. The Nation and the country are 2 different things. We speak of the Navaho Nation not because the Navaho have a country, idiot, but because they are nevertheless a Nation.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 4:37 pm

            You need to read Federalist 39. The US isn’t a nation, but a federation. There’s a difference.

          • Mcineral✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 4:47 pm

            Oh well, time to rename the “national anthem”

          • jack dobson September 18, 2016 at 8:11 pm

            That made me howl; politics isn’t about love. Nationalism is the basis of all politics outside of communism and global utopianism, which is pretty much the same. Internationalism is just an excuse for larger, global tyranny. Fortunately nationalism is rising and has become the dominant force in the world.

          • John Ash September 19, 2016 at 8:04 am

            Nationalism is big government. It is just globalism light. It stops people from having local laws and government that fits their circumstance.

          • Tehy September 18, 2016 at 9:34 pm

            John; it teaches a love of human beings over everything. Our human beings.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 9:48 pm

            There is no such thing as “our human beings”. Only human beings. That is your problem right there.

          • Tehy September 18, 2016 at 9:54 pm

            All of human psychology throughout history contradicts, John Ash.

            My first duty is to those whose first duty is to me. I am not obligated to love humans who would not lift a finger to save me, who don’t care about me or even like me. If there is an imbalance in love, the one who loves more will naturally be taken advantage of – as we see in terrorism, as we see in foreign aid which is stolen by warlords, and so forth. Enough.

            We love those who love us, like those who like us, tolerate those who tolerate us, dislike those who dislike us, hate those who hate us. There will be no pitying from a higher perch, neither slavish devotion from a lower one. We are America, we are great, but not so great that we can afford to act as a god treating lesser beings are though they are misguided either.

          • Urbanus_II September 20, 2016 at 12:22 am

            I am not obligated to love humans who would not lift a finger to save me, who don’t care about me or even like me.

            Jesus says we do have such an obligation: “If you love those who love you, what credit can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit can you expect? For even sinners do that much. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to get money back, what credit can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount. Instead, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend without any hope of return.”

          • Tehy September 20, 2016 at 7:05 am

            So what you’re saying is that Christians have dumb beliefs? Already knew that but thanks for the confirmation LOL

          • Urbanus_II September 20, 2016 at 10:55 am

            I’m saying Jesus is God. Repent or perish.

          • Tehy September 20, 2016 at 1:00 pm

            So basically, endure immigrant hell in this life to ensure heaven in the hereafter? What kind of sucker do I look like? Not like you I should hope.

          • Urbanus_II September 20, 2016 at 1:33 pm

            I implied no such thing. God asks us to love even those who hate us. How that love manifest itself is unique to the given situation and it certainly doesn’t imply any particular macro government policy. The obligation to love is yours and can only be achieved through your own personal actions and words. I can only give you the Good News, what you do with it is your choice.

          • Tehy September 20, 2016 at 9:40 pm

            No you just fuckin stated it lol

            Tell you what fam: I love people. Just not enough to fuck myself over.

          • Urbanus_II September 20, 2016 at 11:05 pm

            I stated no such thing. I specifically said that how that love manifest is circumstantial.

          • Tehy September 21, 2016 at 12:02 am

            that’s fine then and I may have gone off on you when it wasn’t warranted; please accept this apology.

          • Urbanus_II September 21, 2016 at 12:23 am

            Thank you. I appreciate it.

          • Wiffle The Deplorable September 21, 2016 at 9:36 am

            Just to add to Urbanus_II’s point, I agree Christianity does not call for social suicide or current political solutions.

            In fact, if we wanted to flip this argument over, we could say that the West’s willingness to just hand over what’s built is modern laziness and not Christian love or stewardship. Bringing immigrants here is disorienting to them personally, expensive (as it seems to require tax dollars) and cuts them off from their heritage. We can also help just a very few that way.

            In an idealized Christian world, people keep their traditional groups and homelands. We would voluntary go to them to help them, where they live, with the surplus that would God would provide from our thrift and hard work. (And that is after we’ve cared for our children.)

            A Western built and supplied Christian hospital in Syria would help many more people, in their home, then giving a few select asylum. (So would staying the heck out of it, but that’s a different story.) Examples of helpful types of foriegn missionary type work are endless. However, unfortunately a critical mass of current church goers are not making the connection that “their” charity is a cheap sort of grace bought on the backs of their children and fellow taxpayers.

            It’s unfortunately just part of the decay of the modern church. We go to Mass, but we give only enough to keep the lights on at a local church and specifically to charities that fit a Christian mission. I am frustrated and appalled that Catholic charities is involved with relocation work using taxpayer money, when it should be involved with missionary work from voluntarily supplied funds at the location of problems.

          • Matt Frihart January 28, 2017 at 4:29 am

            love is also love for the common good of your fellow man. while we should always love those who hate us, that doesn’t mean we should not defend against those who wish to take advantage of such love, for such love leads to death of self in this life and the next.

            basically what god said is, place only god above yourself.

            this explicitly means while we do not place the concerns of our fellow man below us, we also dont place those concerns above us, for without us gets no concern at all. we are all equal in the eyes of god, not each other.

          • John Ash February 1, 2017 at 8:46 am

            Which god? Apollo?

          • Ace September 20, 2016 at 1:27 am

            Oh boy. Brother Sun and Sister Moon.

          • sotto voce October 10, 2016 at 1:34 pm

            Nationalism is fundamentally about protecting the people you love. Only a foolish man denies human nature to the extent that he would leave his doors unlocked and his family unprotected because he refuses to admit that there are Barbarians who would take what he has and destroy what’s left, or who convinces himself that he can bargain with savages and they’ll leave him alone.

          • John Ash October 11, 2016 at 1:28 pm

            You are an idiot I’d you believe this. Nationalism is about using the seven sins manipulate the people and gain power.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:02 pm

            Its a choice between nationalist and globalists. The (((globalists))) have been selling out America since before 1913

          • ricocat1 September 19, 2016 at 4:00 am

            Donald Trump and America First.

          • Ace September 20, 2016 at 1:13 am

            Johnson supports open borders and amnesty but you are the “thinker” here?

            PS – idiot and nationalist are mutually exclusive terms.

      • sotto voce October 10, 2016 at 1:22 pm

        Yes, “Flight 93”, as far as importance, is right up there with Angelo Codevilla’s 2010 essay “America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution”. Codevilla provided the diagnosis and Decius wrote the prescription.

    • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:12 am

      Your mind is easily blown apparently.

      • Patrick September 18, 2016 at 10:25 am

        It goes to the education thing that is spoken about. Conservatives of today are emersed in “pop con” books, mags, and media personalities. Being introduced to someone of the older style is a mind blowing experience. The past decade has seen a lot of the writers of that sort die off. They were not replaced by men of the same caliber.

      • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:37 pm

        Are you a Spam Bot or just a regular over at Red State, Right Scoop and Daily Wire?

        • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 1:53 pm

          I was thrown off Red State for being a “liberal”, because they have no clue what libertarianism is.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:13 pm

            So you’re a Libertarian.

            That’s fine.

            Now sell your ideas to the American people and get Libertarians elected to implement them.

            The Decius indictment is that Conservatism Inc. failed because they were ineffective in selling their ideas.

            No need to come on here and berate people for their choice of a candidate.

            What are you hoping to accomplish?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 2:17 pm

            Conservative Inc. failed because they’re not selling conservatism, they’re selling corporatism disguised as nationalism, and were then shocked to find that it worked and that people now want to be Nazis.

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 2:48 pm

            Conservatism isn’t nationalist. It globalist and anti-nationalist on immigration and jobs/trade. It acquiesces to the anti-white, anti core, anti – mainstream agenda of the hate left. An Israel first foreighn policy isn’t nationalist. People who believe what 99% of the world believe in, namely borders, and prioritizing the priorities of ones own family, tribe, nation aren’t “Nazis”. Isn’t it remarkable how well your agenda dovetails with that of the hate left?

            You are an idiot.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:05 pm

            Real American conservatism isn’t globalist OR nationalist. It isn’t pro immigration or anti-immigration. It isn’t pro-race or anti-race. It is Natural Rights, all day, all night, for everyone. You have no right to oppress others out of your petty fear.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:15 pm

            Oppressing others by not wanting more of your taxes going to Latrina’s 21 illegitimate crack babies.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:23 pm

            When have conservatives eliminated welfare in their lifetimes?

          • Michael Hayes September 18, 2016 at 4:43 pm

            But that’s just it, by maintaining borders we preserve our rights and deny none to foreighners, since Ther is no constitutional nor moral right to immigrate to America.

            And by the way kid, when you get older you will have heard many, many times various fundies defend their idiotic extremism with the argument ” sure it hasn’t worked yet but it hasn’t really been tried yet”. The commies do it better than you do, but you’re a kid yet.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:23 pm

            If you think you are preserving your rights by denying them to others, you have been had by the greatest political con job ever.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 6:32 pm

            What are the demographics of where you bought your house?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:35 pm

            Actually, mostly hispanic. I’m a minority. And I’m perfectly fine with that.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 7:19 pm

            So you’re going to force everyone else “to be fine with that”. Your arrogance matches your midwittery

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:21 pm

            That makes no sense. Are you saying my neighbors are horrified by the white guy in their neighborhood or something? Weird.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 7:26 pm

            No stud. Your going to demand we enjoy our minority status as a cuck like you since borders are racist because “Muh natural rights”.
            Qué te den por culo cabron

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:04 pm

            We are a minority. There are maybe a billion white people. A billion blacks, a billion muslims, a billion latinos. A few billion Asians. Get used to it.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 19, 2016 at 12:41 am

            I point out youre malfeasance in forcing us to take immigrants we don’t want and you dodge the point to rant about “we’re already a world minority”. Same dishonorable shiesty word games you’ve been playing on here the whole time. Seriously. Feels like I’m talking to a hormonal woman.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:51 pm

            Conservatism Inc. has been selling “Invade the World, Invite the World for 30 years.

            Dude, are you like 20 years old or something?

            It’s the opposite of Nationalism and everyone knew it, it’s why Trump is the nominee.

            Now I’m irritated with you.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:04 pm

            Right. Did you even read what I said? Apparently not.

          • John Ash September 19, 2016 at 8:02 am

            Oh, goody, another anti-semite Nazi wannabe.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:20 pm

            Be irritated all you want.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:14 pm

            The (((NEO-COheNS))) sold crony capitalism, liberalism and war for Israel. They couldn’t conserve little girls bath rooms from men

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:22 pm

            There are no true conservatives left, except maybe Justin Amash, in the Republican Party.

          • Matt Frihart January 28, 2017 at 5:08 am

            while youre right that conservatism failed because they’re not selling conservatism, its not because they were selling corporatism disguised as nationalism, its that they were selling nationalism disguised as conservatism. its apparent from the moment they broke the “conservatism” agenda from the national one.

            the public by and large wants to be proud of where they’re from and nationalism will always be popular no matter what form it takes. the conservative official doctrine as stated by its general thinking leaders heads its issues as set in stone, no matter the times as they change. its the very thing buckley and his kin rebelled against in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. the largest problem with that is that the issues never changed as the world did, and thats not to say they should break with thought processes that got them there. they do seem to be married to one way of doing things, no matter the circumstances.

            each major group has their agenda that breaks from national pride, liberals, conservatives, libertarians, statists especially. the one that most closely resembles that national pride, in a free and fair election will always win.

            If I were you , I would examine why the libertarian platform has never reverberated throughout the american public and see what you can do to change that…… btw what you are doing in these threads, not working as all lol

          • John Ash February 1, 2017 at 8:43 am

            They’re selling corporatism and disguising it as nationalism. Libertarianism isn’t winning because we have public schools.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:13 pm

            Free pot and open borders what a party. How would you stop Latrina’s (actual person in NJ) 21 crackbabies from leeching off my earnings when I never touched her?

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:21 pm

            Eliminate welfare.

      • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:11 pm

        If I am willing to give up $5 wet back BJs to have less illegal alien drunk drivers and moslem beheaders you should be also.

        • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:20 pm

          Sad that a gay man has to pay for BJs. I’m straight and gay men always offered them and I always refused. I guess I am the forbidden fruit though, versus some male whore at a bar.

    • Solaire Of Astora September 18, 2016 at 12:28 pm

      My only question is why the presumption of Jeb’s greater moral character. How is it that Trump, the man of supposedly lesser character, produced better children? Everything else was fine.

      • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:36 pm

        Good point.

        I didn’t think about that and how it’s a given.

      • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:31 pm

        Yes. One only needs to look at the Trump children to see what an outstanding man he is. Meanwhile, is Noel Bush finally off the drugs?

        • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:19 pm

          Carter is an outstanding family man, and he was also a shitty President. Same with Obama.

          • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 5:43 pm

            You compulsively reply to everything, even to debate minute non controversial comments not addressed to you. LOL you’re so pathological and deranged

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:24 pm

            Hahahaha, sure, okay.

          • Thomas Cooper September 19, 2016 at 1:47 am

            Yeah, whatever happened to Amy Carter?

      • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:03 pm

        Because Trump has the power of the purse. If you want the candy, you will obey.

        • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:10 pm

          Speaking of candy lets hope someone left out some spiked cocaine for Joe Biden’s son who is in charge of the Ukraine’s petrol reserves.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:19 pm

            It will be great when Trump is President, because he can appoint his whole family to run the country, like he does with his businesses.

        • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 6:28 pm

          Broke permanent friend zone inhabitants like you always think they can get beautiful women to love them if they just have enough money.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 6:35 pm

            You idiot, I’m married with kids.

          • Nigel McPhearson September 18, 2016 at 7:17 pm

            Haha. Sure you are stud. If you were she’d be banging one of your Latino neighbors. Women sense weakness in “men” like you instinctively.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 7:20 pm

            I’m not the one demanding a nanny state.

          • Severn September 21, 2016 at 9:14 am

            Says the guy campaigning for Hillary Clinton.

      • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:09 pm

        Have you seen Jeb’s wife? When I first saw them together I thought “the plane boss the plane”, If he had to marry a Hispanic for political reasons he could have afforded to marry a feminine telenovela star

        • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 5:18 pm

          He didn’t marry her for political reasons, or because he was looking for a cheap whore like Peña Nieto.

  10. […] He answers some questions from a website called “American Greatness.” Worth reading. […]

  11. jack dobson September 17, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    The biggest question of our time is whether we can get it back.

    It seems clear to me we have entered a post-constitutional era and we won’t get it back as a governing document. Nonetheless, I would enjoy your thoughts on the matter after we hopefully staunch the bleeding November 8th. In the meantime, please keep up your outstanding work about this crucial election. Your work has influenced many people I know in my profession to vote for Trump rather than abstain or go third party.

    • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:51 pm

      Absolutely Brother.

  12. Clark Coleman September 17, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    “How do you respond to conservatives concerned about Donald Trump’s character? They perceive his shortcomings as somehow unique, though Reagan was divorced, …”

    Good interview until this demonic moral equivalence from the interviewer. Reagan was divorced against his will by Jane Wyman, which was common knowledge in Hollywood (and the nation) at the time. Then he married Nancy years later and stayed married to her until death. To compare such a thing to Donald Trump’s marital history and general moral character is in a class with the worst examples of Leftists drawing moral equivalence between the Soviet Union and the United States. Anyone making such a comparison is trying to drag down Reagan so that Trump will not look so bad, and does not deserve to be taken seriously as a writer or thinker.

    • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:50 pm

      A little cherry picking there don’t you think?

      • Clark Coleman September 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm

        I said that the piece was good until this egregiously bad statement. What if someone wrote a generally good article about a variety of issues, then slipped in “of course, I favor amnesty and open borders.” Would you respond, or would you be cautious about “cherry-picking” from the article?

        • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:42 pm

          Maybe Decius was just being generous to Jeb?

          You can’t let that go?

  13. Sunday assorted links - Marginal REVOLUTION September 18, 2016 at 1:23 am

    […] Interview with Decius.  Caveat emptor, I say he has been “played” by Trump.  Still, the media of so much […]

  14. Deplorable-Puppy ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 9:05 am

    Thank you – this is wonderful to read.

  15. tz1 September 18, 2016 at 9:50 am

    In 2012, Ron Paul was the sinless Constitutionalist, but the elites pushed Romney. (Paul’s wife didn’t work for Goldman Sachs if you want to compare Cruz).

  16. crushlimbraw September 18, 2016 at 9:52 am

    “The media, intelligentsia, and the opinion-making organs of our society have become overwhelmingly biased, partisan, shameless, dishonest and corrupt. They still wield enormous power, which is a problem, but it’s become virtually impossible not to see them for what they are, which might mean that a turning point is coming.” – “…a turning point is coming.” – my gut says “Confirmed!”

  17. DaleCop September 18, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    Decius ends with, “Hell, at this point I would reelect Bill Clinton if I thought he would build a wall.” This shows he gets the most transcendent point in the 2016 election. The fact that the GOP at large and most intellectual conservatives talked about in this interview don’t realize their mistake on immigration is the great divide between the Never Trumpers and the rest of Trump’s supporters.

    • SurfingUSA September 18, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      Absolutely.

    • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      It’s the issue of the season. I live in a sanctuary city and have seen the dysfunction, crime and general ruin those policies bring municipalities. Areas of my city resemble Tijuana more than an American metropolis with garbage strewn yards and potholed streets. The gang crime is played down by our compliant local media, and the only time ethnicity is mentioned on the news is when a crime is committed by a white person.

      But hey, poor (minority) kids get free lunches during the summer now with my tax dollars, so I guess I can’t complain about having to shell out money from my own pocket to fix defective drainage sewers on my street so the homes on my block won’t flood during storms, right?

      • Shep September 18, 2016 at 1:49 pm

        I think the Federal, State and Local Governments have something more nefarious in mind for us.

        • Mike ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:16 pm

          I don’t Shep. But it’s already bad.

          • Shep September 18, 2016 at 2:51 pm

            Our country has devolved into a police state.

            The fish totted from the head.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:05 pm

            That is your fault.

          • BigGaySteve September 18, 2016 at 3:18 pm

            I am pretty sure its the fault of TNB . When a black cops body cam shows a felon pointing a gun at him before he shoots him and blacks still burn/loot what is the point?
            19 cops got shot in one week because 2 black child sex offenders with guns were killed by cops.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:24 pm

            They have been ignored by Republicans and indoctinated by libruls.

          • John Ash September 18, 2016 at 3:21 pm

            Has this webpage as well? My posts seems to have started to disappear.

  18. God, the Crotch and NRO September 18, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    Maybe it’s my imagination, but I’m finding a distinctly Derbyshiresque quality to Decius’s thinking and prose. Could it be? Only I can’t see what Derbyshire would have to gain writing under a pseudonym. What else would he have to lose? But still….

  19. Mcineral✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ September 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    When people try to use Trump’s “poor character” as rationale for helping to elect the most apologetically corrupt public servant in modern times, I literally want to scream.

    Every single “defect” of his that these hucksters point to are specific to Trump’s life as a brash, billionaire who as a private citizen, owes nothing to anyone other than to his family.

    Who can claim that his children are not well adjusted and healthy Americans?

    It is only in those results that we have any right to judge him, and the evidence is all in his favor.

    His opponent on the other hand, is a lifetime public servant who has somehow amassed 1/3 of a billion dollars by “helping others”.

    How is obvious corruption in public service somehow less onerous than anything Trump did as a driven, and yes, greedy private citizen?

    Isn’t that the type of person who we conservatives hold up as evidence of “American Greatness”?

    • Copperhead Joe September 18, 2016 at 3:56 pm

      After the endorsement by the Generals and Trump’s abrupt exit snubbing the lying losers, I said to a close friend, “I’ve liked Trump since I was a teenager (30 years ago), but I’ve come to realize that he is a great man.”

  20. The Top 40 September 18, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    The kidlets, as I call them, were raised on a diet of racism-this and equality-that

    and that’s-not-who-we-are, so they can’t process anything that seems to contradict the narrative. To them “conservatism” is the 1980 campaign’s economic platform spot-welded to Millennial identity politics and sexual libertarianism. Freedom! An Intervi…

  21. Shep September 19, 2016 at 3:05 am

    This site is taking off in the comment section. I’m happy about that.

    However, John Ash needs to be banned, I think he’s actually George Will or Jonah Goldberg.

  22. John Ash September 18, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    “Muh ‘Murican Gratenis!”

    This comment section would have about 20 comments if it weren’t for me, dipshit. You guys can’t think for yourselves.

  23. Dude1394 September 18, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    Thanks for the follow up. I have little respect tbh for friends who are never trump but say they are also neverhillary. I would have more respect for them if they would just man up and support her, because what they are doing is worse.

  24. Jac Wright September 18, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    The sheet of paper Donald Trump passed to Mr. Oz is a self typed LIE with a BRIBE telling Oz: “$100K If you say on TV my health is great.” It is a self-typed up LIE starting with the HEIGHT: Trump is 1 inch shorter than the LIE on his self typed sheet. And so is every thing else- weight, blood pressure, …. – EVERYTHING is a self typed LIE.

    Trump is waving his arms around and kicking the air to HIDE his LONG HISTORYT of HEART ATTACKS and STAMACH ULCERS! Trump is a OLD, OLD dying man. He is resorting to all sorts of FAKE ANTICS and LIES to HIDE his HISTORY of HEART ATTACKS & ATOMACH ULCERS. This candidate doth protest too much. This candidate doth do LIES, scams & fake antics too much.

    Trump has FAILED the HEALTH REPORT requirement for this job.
    Trump has FAILED the CREDIT REPORT requirement for this job.
    Trump is NOT UNDER AUDIT.
    All A LONG LITANY OF LIES.

    Trump is up to his ears in debt to the RUSSIAN MAFIA, the MUSLIM OIL TYCOONS, and the CHINESE TRIADS. Trump is drowning in debt many times more than his few hundred million $$ assets. The reason he is running for Presidency is to RAID the PEOPLE’s BANK and save hiself from his 7th bankruptcy.

    Trump is an ailing, dying, imcompetant, bankrupt business failure. The candidate is a BIG LEAGUE LIAR!

  25. Chance Boudreaux September 18, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    The truth is this election is very serious for those that love what America was, and Hillary MUST be stopped.

  26. Brian B September 19, 2016 at 9:04 am

    –“He’s said disturbing things about the First Amendment and he is a litigious man, and that is troublesome.”–

    The only thing I’m aware of him saying is he would like to see defamation laws regarding public figures changed.
    The Sullivan decision creating the different test for private vs public figures did not come about until 1964. I don’t think we had a seriously hampered 1st amendment prior to that decision and I think we would have a more honest media without it.
    It created essentially a right to lie and defame a public person absent some explicit evidence no one in their right mind would allow to exist, namely that they knew their statements were lies and they printed them anyway with an actual malicious intent to harm the public figure. Even reporters aren’t stupid enough to put that in writing or admit it under oath.

    That standard is essentially carte blanche for the media to lie about their enemies with impunity and since they have proven themselves nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Democrat party their enemies are us.
    Just because some dope decides to run for office, whether left, right or center or becomes a public figure voluntarily or against his will, he shouldn’t have to give up the protections of defamation law.

    A movement that rightly demands the pols apply the laws they saddle us with to themselves should advocate for equal protection in the other direction too.

    • Stick September 22, 2016 at 9:52 am

      The Trump statements that Manhattan Media find appalling with regard to the 1st Amendment have to do with his desire to toughen slander laws on the order of Britain. Given the total absence of reporting standards as demonstrated by CBS News – Benghazi YouTube Story and NBC’s tampering with 911 Zimmerman calls to create or sustain a dishonest ‘political meme’, I think he has a point. See Rolling Stone’s “Culture of Rape” slander and ask yourself why they are still in business. The 1st Amendment is not a shield for liars and shills. They should be moored to some standard of honesty like the rest of us.

  27. Never Yet Melted » Mousey Speaks Again September 19, 2016 at 9:18 am

    […] Publius Decius Mus (aka Mousey) is back, lying on his klinē and being interviewed by one of those self-important Alt-Right blogs, which recently sprang into existence to repair the “exhausted soil” of the Conservative Movement with “fertilizing, re-sowing, and diligent cultivation.” Well, I am skeptical of their diligence, and I think the Alt-Right is bent on sowing only the most noxious and pestilential political weeds, but I will grant that they have plenty of male cattle manure to offer to fertilize the soil. […]

  28. […] I did not mention Wilson even once. However, as Douthat apparently knows (from a summer fellowship?), Wilson and the Progressives began the process of building the administrative state, which I did […]

  29. Sandy Daze September 19, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    M A G A +50 !

    ,

  30. Bedarb September 19, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    The dismissal of the Old Right (alt-recht) betrays the limitations of American Greatness. You can’t kill the managerial elite by embracing Whig history, classical or radical. Make America Manifest Again. Make the West Destiny Again.

  31. Urbanus_II September 20, 2016 at 12:05 am

    Mainstream conservatism is inadequate to combat liberalism because it implicitly accepts the foundational liberal principle of equal freedom as the ultimate purpose of government. Liberalism advocates equal freedom as the Good to which government is directed towards, while simultaneously claiming neutrality on all questions regarding Goodness.

  32. joetentpeg September 20, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    “Aside from smoking a lot of pot, Obama’s character seems sterling. He’s a
    good family man, was a good student, has had a good career (in the
    narrow sense), does not appear to be corrupt in any way…”

    Overall good piece, but gotta call BS here.

    I believe ‘character’ is best described as how you treat someone who can do nothing for you…or to you.

    In this regard, Hussaino is abysmal. It’s the whole ‘that’s the Chicago way’ minus the Sean Connery. Ie. bringing a baseball bat to a fist fight, starting his political career on the south side with the terrorist Bill Ayers, his ‘Black Skin Privilege’ (h/t to David Horowitz) that allows him to be the real racist equipped with kryptonite proof melanin. His career in the IL senate involved a lot of ‘present’ votes after pulling some Chicago style street thuggery to get elected by removing his opponent from the ballot.

    I could go on and on, but if there is one thing I’m familiar with having grown up on the south side, it’s Chicago thug politicians.

    And ‘character’ is definitely one attribute they all lack.

  33. […] a recent interview, Decius complains that millennials learn conservatism as “a […]

  34. The Top 40 September 21, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    It is not that Trump really understands or has thought deeply about the Constitution

    but he is trying to do something fundamentally constitutional in my opinion. He wants to assert the right of the sovereign American people to control their government, which is the core constitutional principle. I think he understands this in…

  35. […] An Interview with Decius – American Greatness […]

  36. […] I did not mention Wilson even once. However, as Douthat apparently knows (from a summer fellowship?), Wilson and the Progressives began the process of building the administrative state, which I did […]

  37. Sam McGowan October 11, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    While there are some things in the interview I’m not so sure about – the idea that Lincoln was somehow “intellectual” for one – overall I am in agreement, with one exception. He is correct about those under 40 being uneducated but I wouldn’t call them “conservative” at all. They’re not, they’re really progressives but are on the right rather than the left. Ronald Reagan is their god but he was actually a disciple of the New Deal and used FDR’s tactics in his own administration. He left the Democrats mainly because of taxes. Trump is not “the savior” but he is the only hope right now to save the republic from becoming just one more socialist state. I once saw a young woman wearing a T-shirt that said “If Bill Clinton does for America what he did for Arkansas, I hope he wears a condom.” Well, according to Dolly Kyle, his former friend, Bill never wore condoms. He certainly never wore one when he was president and screwing the country. Hillary won’t either.

  38. […] seized upon that opportunity, and he delighted many of our readers with his fearless ability to take-down […]

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